The New Sage Icon, Thoughts?

[Goji1639]

This is kind of like saying asking for masculine glamours is a slippery slope to no longer having any feminine glamours.


Please.

I didn't say it was a slippery slope; I said it's so ridiculous that it sounds like an absurdist slippery slope argument someone would make against inclusiveness in gaming.

Example: "Removing flashing lights in an encounter to make it better for epileptics?!? What's next... altering/limiting stylized designs based on the fact that some people don't like bumpy textures?!?"

[Fawkes]

I didn't say it was a slippery slope; I said it's so ridiculous that it sounds like an absurdist slippery slope argument someone would make against inclusiveness in gaming.

Example: "Removing flashing lights in an encounter to make it better for epileptics?!? What's next... altering/limiting stylized designs based on the fact that some people don't like bumpy textures?!?"

That doesn't even make sense, a slippery slope argument would be about leading to bigger or more expansive things, not smaller insignificant things.

[Goji1639]

That doesn't even make sense, a slippery slope argument would be about leading to bigger or more expansive things, not smaller insignificant things.

In this case a slippery slope would indicate that something somewhat reasonable would become increasingly absurd and trivial, until even the most petty of requests are deserving of action.

You want to know the sort of thing setting them off? Look up image examples of trypophobia and you'll understand immediately why it's disturbing. Some people it sets off easier than others. Few things set that off in me (the previous icon did not) but I can imagine how quickly it set off some people who are really sensitive to that sort of thing. Changing it hurts nobody, and only helps SE with PR.

It may help with PR a little bit now, but it hurts later. SE can't reasonably accommodate every single aspect of everyone's sensibilities, so they've just set a precedent they can't live up to.

[Fland]

I didn't say it was a slippery slope; I said it's so ridiculous that it sounds like an absurdist slippery slope argument someone would make against inclusiveness in gaming.

Example: "Removing flashing lights in an encounter to make it better for epileptics?!? What's next... altering/limiting stylized designs based on the fact that some people don't like bumpy textures?!?"

And yet when SE patch the flashing light in Nier raid, it didn't suddenly open the flood gate or whatever that you're referring to. So why this barely significant change they made would lead to anything?

[Goji1639]

And yet when SE patch the flashing light in Nier raid, it didn't suddenly open the flood gate or whatever that you're referring to. So why this barely significant change they made would lead to anything?

Again, I didn't say it was a slippery slope. I just said that this change sounds like the absurdist end of a slippery slope argument.

What I am saying, however, is that addressing things this trivial in nature will shift peoples expectations. SE doesn't really want to move expectations in this direction, because it isn't sustainable; they'll disappoint way more people than they impress.

They sell plenty of merch with job icons on it, if people don't like it or are put off by it for whatever reason they might sell less of them.

For the presumably tiny amount of work and time I imagine this took that's a decent enough reason to take and go ahead and change it and benefit from it.

Again, it's more a matter of expectations. If SE wants to create the impression that they'll shift gears at any indication that anyone's sensibilities aren't being accommodated, then that's what people will start expecting of them. That's a rough precedent to live up to.

[Yencat]

Again, it's more a matter of expectations. If SE wants to create the impression that they'll shift gears at any indication that anyone's sensibilities aren't being accommodated, then that's what people will start expecting of them. That's a rough precedent to live up to.

You asked what the benefit was for them to do this and I gave you one, even if it was a more cynical view on why they might have done it.

If a company sees a benefit in accommodating a request from paying customers that doesn't take a ton of work and doesn't impact their own vision too much, and might even earn them MORE money, then they will do it.

More news at 11, water is wet and the sky is blue.

[Goji1639]

You asked what the benefit was for them to do this and I gave you one, even if it was a more cynical view on why they might have done it.

If a company sees a benefit in accommodating a request from paying customers that doesn't take a ton of work and doesn't impact their own vision too much, and might even earn them MORE money, then they will do it.

More news at 11, water is wet and the sky is blue.

There's a reason companies don't generally take and act on individual requests from each of their millions of customers, despite the layman conception that "making all customers happy == more moneyz!"

[Yencat]

There's a reason companies don't generally take and act on individual requests from each of their millions of customers, despite the layman conception that "making all customers happy == more moneyz!"

They. Don't. Have. To.

They never have and never will act on every single individual request millions of players make, have a look around Reddit or the forum and you'll see plenty of requests that never saw the light of day.

You'll also see plenty of things they did add on the request of the playerbase, but those don't trigger this weird doomsday response for some reason.

[Goji1639]

They. Don't. Have. To.

They never have and never will act on every single individual request millions of players make, have a look around Reddit or the forum and you'll see plenty of requests that never saw the light of day.

You'll also see plenty of things they did add on the request of the playerbase, but those don't trigger this weird doomsday response for some reason.

Controlling expectations is a balancing act, and most of the changes SE makes are either based on things they wanted specifically or based on larger segments of the community. Companies generally don't take individual or small group requests because they don't want to be expected to.

Also, no one said anything about Doomsday. I'm just saying that acquiescing these trivial requests from individuals or very small groups does more harm than good to SE. Both the harm and good they do are trivial, though; so I'm not worried this will ruin SE or something, I just don't see the point from SE's perspective.

[Fland]

addressing things this trivial in nature will shift peoples expectations.

If SE wants to create the impression that they'll shift gears at any indication that anyone's sensibilities aren't being accommodated, then that's what people will start expecting of them.

You are severely overestimating the implication of this tiny, insignificant change.
People's expectation won't change. The majority of players is not even aware of this change.
And SE definitely are not trying to create any sort of new impression.