The New Sage Icon, Thoughts?

[dezzmont]

Yeah exactly, i said the change itself isn't bad at all. It's good SE is changing things. And as i said i don't think it took any development time at all. So no negative impact on the rest of us. BUT the game is literally full of holes still, what do they plan to do about that? Why showing virtue with the poor phobia people when the game is basically a phobia swamp. Which is normal ofc.

Trypophobia is for EXTREMELY specific patterns of holes that do not generally exist in the game.

It isn't virtue signaling to fix an extremely easy to solve problem with essentially no cost. As others have pointed out, what you are doing is textbook 'whataboutism.' The fact that some people may be afraid of... I dunno, heights... has nothing to do with this specific issue with a fix that comes at literally no cost.

The strength of the reasoning just needs to relate to the cost of the change. This is a zero cost change, so basically any reason to fix it is valid. Meanwhile say... removing all ghosts from the game would come at a pretty extreme cost, and so despite the fact that a fear of ghosts/spirits exists, its not something SE is going to explore. Its not a hard concept to grasp.

[Yencat]

Yeah exactly, i said the change itself isn't bad at all. It's good SE is changing things. And as i said i don't think it took any development time at all. So no negative impact on the rest of us. BUT the game is literally full of holes still, what do they plan to do about that? Why showing virtue with the poor phobia people when the game is basically a phobia swamp. Which is normal ofc.

What i try to say is, SE has a really weak reasoning in this one not cause they changed it or cause there are just a few with phobias. But it's literally a change for nothing and they didn't showed any commitment in their statement that they want to change these things too, which would obviously too much but as i said, weak reasoning then when they care enough to change a little icon people mostly ignore and then having big triggering honeycombs all over the place. It's like...we care about you fellas but not enough to make any real change.

They probably don't actually see this as a big problem that needs big sweeping changes all over the game either, but this wasn't in the game yet and probably took no time to fix?

They didn't make any sort of statement or commitment to changing everything in the game to remove everyone's phobias, the post itself says that right now there's still time to change things and that since the icon will appear prominently in the game and on merchandise so they changed it.

People said "we don't like it" they said "okay, it's just an icon and not in the game yet so we'll change it", I really don't think it's much deeper than that.

[Theodric]

I'd consider the 'overreaction' to be the icon itself being changed rather than the disbelief voiced in response.

For example, it isn't actually helping people who suffer from trypophobia because there's many more items, icons and environmental designs such as coral and giant honeycombs that have far more numerous holes clustered together. Somehow I doubt that they'll be changed and surely they've been a bigger problem for individuals who suffer from the phobia in question?

Furthermore, what about the other job icons? Aichmophobia is related to fear and discomfort brought about by sharp objects. Should we change and remove every pointy item and weapon in the game to be safe?

This sort of approach never works well and simply promotes the idea that if people complain loudly enough, they can weaponise requests to get stuff pulled from the game either during or after development.

[TaleraRistain]

For example, it isn't actually helping people who suffer from trypophobia because there's many more items, icons and environmental designs such as coral and giant honeycombs that have far more numerous holes clustered together. Somehow I doubt that they'll be changed and surely they've been a bigger problem for individuals who suffer from the phobia in question?

It does help, because not everyone is triggered by the same things. One person can get sick to their stomach from seeing X while another person with the condition is fine. I'm not bothered by the honeycombs in the game, for instance, but others are. Others are fine with the monk chakra icon, but it bothers me to look at it and makes me uncomfortable. So people were affected by this enough that they gave feedback and changing it will help those who had that negative of a reaction. I'm sure if Endwalker was already released and they couldn't change it, either they would have apologized for not being able to change it or figured out something else if they could. It just happens they were currently in a place where they could make the edit.

[Jijifli]

I'm sure if Endwalker was already released and they couldn't change it, either they would have apologized for not being able to change it or figured out something else if they could. It just happens they were currently in a place where they could make the edit.

While not a visual thing, a reminder JP players also did complain about the GNB sound effects and those were changed, despite ShB already being out.

So they 100% can change things already put in.

[Vahlnir]

While not a visual thing, a reminder JP players also did complain about the GNB sound effects and those were changed, despite ShB already being out.

So they 100% can change things already put in.

And that, too, left a lot of people confused because it wasn't really a thing anywhere else.

[Yencat]

And that, too, left a lot of people confused because it wasn't really a thing anywhere else.

I think we're quick to blame Twitter and "vocal minorities" for everything and anything and forgetting/conveniently leaving out other regions around here.

To be fair that blame is usually warranted nowadays, but not always.

I honestly don't know so I won't speak to that. The game is playable in several regions sometimes with their own social media and forums of choice, in several languages not all of us speak or read so it gives a warped view of who's asking for or complaining about what exactly.

[Duskane]

"The end draws nigh"

[Vyrerus]

Man, that JP forum has hundreds of likes and stuff too. Weird that so many JP players actually felt strongly about it. Then again, their choice in character fashion is uhh >_> notably lacking compared to ours, I feel, at least within that thread so... hmmm. What is the JP playerbase really like, anyway?

I'd heard of tryptophobia before from some FFXIah people. I guess if you did have a full party of Sages, it might meet the criteria. One icon by itself wouldn't though, but maybe that's my ignorance talking.

I personally kinda wish instead of having the Nouliths pointing straight down, they could have had them slanted at an angle, with bright starry icons at their tips, rather than loops on their end. I guess maybe the loops were supposed to be like the eyes of the Nouliths? There's a small blue orb at the base, but idk, felt like they shoulda focused on their fin aspect anyway, as both icons look more like WHM canes with different heads to me.