The New Sage Icon, Thoughts?

[AnotherPerson]

While my trypophobia is mild enough to not inconvenience me in most cases, I do have a separate phobia that's very severe and fully understand how difficult it is to cope or handle such situations when the phobia acts up and leaves you terrified for something most people have no trouble with. The minor change doesn't affect me, but it probably made some fans' lives a lot better and be able to enjoy the game they poured their time in. For that reason alone, I'm glad SE looked into the feedback early on in their production and changed the icon in consideration to these people, especially since this icon will appear often in their merchandise and in FFXIV.

Also, this new icon... now all I can see from the new icon is a face... XD

[RyuDragnier]

The old one didn't set anything off for me, though I admit they looked more like needles that needed thread put into them.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Men with animal ears and tattered jackets on women, now a minor change to an icon for a job that hasn’t been released yet? When will the madness end? How far will the Twitter SJWs push Yoship before he breaks?!

I mean if that’s how you have to simplify it for you to be able to understand it more power to you i guess.

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Isn't that what a lot of the player base wanted though? There's an entire mega thread dedicated to exactly that. And I recall an uproar (Not even just from here) about Viera not having their male counterpart on release.

Im talking about the whole height situation. Where a vocal minority on twitter was ranting and raving about how the males need to be shorter than the women yada yada yada.Using real life rabbits as an example where even Matsuno himself chimed in and said people shouldnt even use examples like that because they should be same height regardless.

I guess ultimate, male miqo'te, female highlander, female roe, etc is also pandering according to him. But he's playing one of those races...

Oh, and masculine glamours are also pandering, since that only effects a small minority of players, apparently.

I never mentioned any of those things but feel free to put words in my mouth as you always love to do with peoples posts.

[Ayuhra]

I like the new Icon better so I don't really care that much.
But If we start to remove everything that could trigger a Phobia in the game like "Darkness, Spiders, etc" we soon will have Teletubbys Online.... but I bet someone out there would be afraid of that too.

I am infinitely more afraid of Teletubbies than spiders.

As for the redesign I do prefer the new one. I felt no aversion to the old one but the new one looks cleaner. Although the one posted above, literally the old one with the holes filled in, is preferred.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I mean if that’s how you have to simplify it for you to be able to understand it more power to you i guess.


Im talking about the whole height situation. Where a vocal minority on twitter was ranting and raving about how the males need to be shorter than the women yada yada yada.Using real life rabbits as an example where even Matsuno himself chimed in and said people shouldnt even use examples like that because they should be same height regardless.



I never mentioned any of those things but feel free to put words in my mouth as you always love to do with peoples posts.

I didn't say you did, you said male viera was pandering. You know what else was added based on player feedback? The things I mentioned. Yet you seem to be OK with those.

[Terin]

Generally speaking, I don't pay much attention to the job icons, though it's cool seeing how much time and effort goes into them.

As someone who suffers from Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder, I think it is SUPER cool to see Devs making an effort to be conscious of lesser-known disorders! I can EASILY imagine a world where players would tell those affected "it's not a big deal, the devs shouldn't waste time with this, etc", so it means a lot when the Dev *DO* take the time!!!

For myself, one thing I still struggle with is the whole "City-State/Starting Class" thing in FFXIV. Those choices are permanently marked in your Unending Journey cutscene-viewer (as well as when you use Fantasia), along with your ORIGINAL Grand Company choice. I spend a LOT of time obsessing over those choices, and wondering what the "canon" choices would be? Like, if the Hyur Midlander in the cinematics were a canon character, what Class would he have started with, and what City-State? And what Grand Company? Which choices make the most sense for the overall story?

Like I said, I suspect most players would read that and think "it doesn't matter, there is no 'canon', the Devs really don't need to do anything". But a few years ago, I was obsessing about that to the point of literal tears, I stopped playing the game, and even still, it would bother me. Mental disorders are just... really harsh that way. Like, you can't just "not think about it".

It's one reason I've kind of always hoped they would create a new starting-experience, maybe even have players arrived in Revenant's Toll initially (like an instanced, lower-level version, when it's essentially just a campsite), and just have its own story until lvl 10 or whenever the normal storylines converge into the regular main storyline. As far as the Grand Company... maybe the cutscene-viewer changes which cutscenes show up, if you happen to change Grand Company? So when the game sends you to Limsa Lominsa if you in Maelstrom, if you change to Immortal Flames, the cutscene will show you going to Thanalan instead.

That, or giving us a means to unlock ALL versions of the cutscenes. Maybe New Game+ could allow us to experience the other starting-zones, unlocking their cutscenes in the Unending Journey as well?

[BunniEclair]

I mean if that’s how you have to simplify it for you to be able to understand it more power to you i guess.

It really is that simple and that much of a non-issue. I’m simply putting it into perspective for you, since you seem to have lost touch with reality.

[Goji1639]

Changing logos to accommodate people who don't like bumps sounds like some kind of absurdist slippery slope argument someone would make about how rampant forced inclusiveness in gaming is creatively stifling. This is kind of a ridiculous thing to address, and a ridiculous door to open.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Changing logos to accommodate people who don't like bumps sounds like some kind of absurdist slippery slope argument someone would make about how rampant forced inclusiveness in gaming is creatively stifling. This is kind of a ridiculous thing to address, and a ridiculous door to open.

This is kind of like saying asking for masculine glamours is a slippery slope to no longer having any feminine glamours.


Please.

[Lauront]

This is essentially my stance on it. If you start attempting to cater to every single small issue that people have, with a player base of a million plus players, you are left with bland wet toast design decisions.

I preferred the previous design, but I understand that it affected some people and neither design affects me at all so I don't care about the icon outcome in the slightest.

I just don't think design decisions should be based on an extreme minority of the playerbase phobia, a phobia that is largely self diagnosed, self described and isn't an official disorder.

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Agreed. I sincerely hope they won't let this affect 6.0's design, given that it's meant to be an apocalypse with quite a bit of body horror, based on what's been teased, which should mean it contains amply more "triggering" material than some icon is claimed to. Again, there are several icons in the game (blades, fire, etc.) that could "trigger" several phobias, and Reaper's scythe could just as easily be modified to avoid one. It's unnecessary. Whatever "tryphophobia" may be, I experience a similar sensation, but it wouldn't be from an icon like this, but from a more visceral image e.g. overlaying a structure like a honeycomb over human body parts. Even so, it wouldn't stop me from exposing myself to it in a game, much as I do with monstrous spiders, even though I have a rather strong form of arachnophobia. An itty bitty little icon on the side of the screen won't trigger that. So I do hope this doesn't trickle over into the rest of 6.0's design. Reminds me of their desire that healers and tanks don't experience "anxiety" and the rather simplified mechanics they now have.

The claims over "well it's just an icon, why get upset over it" (as Theodric said, it's more disbelief at how flimsy the reasoning is) cut both ways in the end.

*snip*

Your comment is in bad faith itself, so I recommend you give that high horse of yours a well deserved rest...

SE should be as open as any other company to scepticism when it comes to this sort of attempt at building brand loyalty through token gestures that require little effort of it.