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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph2449 View Post
    The very notion that there's poeple who "are so hyper bad ultra noobs that facepull and never improve and keep dying with 20 seconds" is an elitist one
    Going to stop you right there, you're not a mentor are you? I am a mentor and I have seen people who do exactly that and it isn't because they're being malicious it's because they're new, don't care, don't know, or aren't using the same language.
    You're massively projecting.

    I haven't even read the rest of your post but based off the fact your argument revolves around a false equivalency I don't think there's much to see.

    Hopefully you learn to be less hateful of facts.
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    Just because other players play the game. Does not mean you got to be mindful, or care
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    The problem ISN'T healers rotation is busted or boring...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nethereal View Post
    you're not a mentor are you? I am a mentor and I have seen people
    Ah yes, the flawless and cant do no wrong mentor that knows better than the "non mentors" whose view is to be trusted and listened to because they are mentors.

    Not as if you are the first person who believes something completely false in order to make themselves feel superior. But hey keep telling yourself and others about those scary ultra bad casuals that never learn and keep queing in extremes for some reason all day and somehow keep wiping with 20 seconds consecutively and there's no bias from your side at all xD
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    The tryhard elitist is the person who is going to finish their 5 pieces on this created to be beaten """"challenge"""" and then complaint that the baby, slower or less dexterous person are a problem which not only is toxic but indirectly implies that doing this basic created to be beaten task faster is an """achievement""" of """great skill""" which helps to falsely boost the elitist's self worth as that is their true motive, if challenge was truly their desire they would relish in the chance to do more than the rest.
    The healthy person on the other hand will either let people finish their part or assist them for their self worth does not depend on solving basic puzzles created to be beaten, aka as a video game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph2449 View Post
    Ah yes, the flawless and cant do no wrong mentor that knows better than the "non mentors" whose view is to be trusted and listened to because they are mentors.

    Not as if you are the first person who believes something completely false in order to make themselves feel superior. But hey keep telling yourself and others about those scary ultra bad casuals that never learn and keep queing in extremes for some reason all day and somehow keep wiping with 20 seconds consecutively and there's no bias from your side at all xD
    Once again you're projecting. I bring up the fact I am a mentor because if you were also one you would know that there are people like that who actually exist in this game and that using false equivalencies from other games is just side stepping the fact you have no actual experience or knowledge on the matter.

    I have no bias, you however do. Remove the rewards it doesn't matter, the people who wipe 20 times in a row to the first mechanic will still exist and so to will mentors who have no patience for beginners.

    A certain mind is a closed mind.
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    Just because other players play the game. Does not mean you got to be mindful, or care
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    The problem ISN'T healers rotation is busted or boring...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nethereal View Post
    I have no bias
    Yeah I think that answers everything and why I wouldnt trust the average gamer and their beliefs of those "ultra bad casuals who never improve"
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    The tryhard elitist is the person who is going to finish their 5 pieces on this created to be beaten """"challenge"""" and then complaint that the baby, slower or less dexterous person are a problem which not only is toxic but indirectly implies that doing this basic created to be beaten task faster is an """achievement""" of """great skill""" which helps to falsely boost the elitist's self worth as that is their true motive, if challenge was truly their desire they would relish in the chance to do more than the rest.
    The healthy person on the other hand will either let people finish their part or assist them for their self worth does not depend on solving basic puzzles created to be beaten, aka as a video game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph2449 View Post
    Yeah I think that answers everything and why I wouldnt trust the average gamer and their beliefs of those "ultra bad casuals who never improve"
    So to recap:

    Wants to remove rewards from mentors.

    Has a picturesque view on what a mentor is, like how a child views their parents.

    Only has anecdotal evidence from the JP data center, considered the safest and most consistent of all 3. Has public blacklists.

    Believes bad players can only exist within the confines and the continuity of big bad elitist boogie men ready name and shame them.

    Uses false equivalencies from different games in an attempt to mask ignorance of the localized issue with no actual experience in the game being referenced.

    Assumes that Echo will solve everything and you will clear in a "few" wipes.

    Assumes "the people who are completely clueless rarely que for higher content" when in reality that is why they're queuing.

    Strawman's "Elitist's" for caring about a "few" wipes.

    Assumes every mentor that leaves is an "Elitist" and nothing else.

    Detracts from a person with actual experience in the localized issue in an attempt to mask they fact they have nothing relevant to say in response.

    Believes that everyone is wrong and only I can be right and to say otherwise is coping mechanism in order to boost your self worth in order to feel morally superior and there can be no other reason.

    Strawman's my position in the argument while still managing to not answer or convey any meaningful intent other than "'Elitist' bad I go now and complain about 'Elitist' I am right you are wrong."

    Is not a mentor.

    Does a passive aggressive copout reply because they have nothing intelligent, informative, or of any valuable substance on the issue to say.

    Believes everyone arguing against their narrative has bias and is an "Elitist" that are scared of "Ultra Bad Casuals" and there can be no neutrality.

    Is a well-rounded, calm, thoughtful individual, who thinks about what comes out of their head before they type it out.

    Has no Bias.
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    Just because other players play the game. Does not mean you got to be mindful, or care
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    The problem ISN'T healers rotation is busted or boring...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nethereal View Post
    Going to stop you right there, you're not a mentor are you? I am a mentor and I have seen people who do exactly that and it isn't because they're being malicious it's because they're new, don't care, don't know, or aren't using the same language.
    You're massively projecting.

    I haven't even read the rest of your post but based off the fact your argument revolves around a false equivalency I don't think there's much to see.

    Hopefully you learn to be less hateful of facts.
    It's a troll, best ignore him
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    im baby

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZedxKayn View Post
    It's a troll, best ignore him
    Thanks for letting me know. I was getting a little suspicious.
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    Just because other players play the game. Does not mean you got to be mindful, or care
    Quote Originally Posted by Someone 2
    The problem ISN'T healers rotation is busted or boring...