Remove Extremes from Mentor Roulette

[Nethereal]

I say remove rewards from Mentors.

Many mentors seem to think becoming a mentor is just some form of elite status that gives them extra reward instead of you know, MENTOR, it is on the word.

As someone who has played on the JP DC, i was able to que up to heavenward extreme trials with duty finder, zephirot and sophia took like 5-6 wipes but we did it at the end because unlike what some elitists want you to believe, people arent so clueless that they ll repeatedly fail the same mechanic 10 times and it only takes a few wipes+echo to let everyone get through the extreme trial

I mean that's cool and all but that's not really a response to the thread especially when you're citing anecdotal evidence from a totally different data center based around a completely different culture that focuses around using duty finder for clearing and not progging.

But tbh I don't think there's much to gain from this conversation since you think people are elitist for not wanting to be put in extremes with people who face pull instantly after wiping to the first mechanic 15 seconds into the fight 20 times.
You can't help people who don't want to be helped, elitism has nothing to do with it, hopefully you become more openminded in life.

[Ralph2449]

I mean that's cool and all but that's not really a response to the thread especially when you're citing anecdotal evidence from a totally different data center based around a completely different culture that focuses around using duty finder for clearing and not progging.

But tbh I don't think there's much to gain from this conversation since you think people are elitist for not wanting to be put in extremes with people who face pull instantly after wiping to the first mechanic 15 seconds into the fight 20 times.
You can't help people who don't want to be helped, elitism has nothing to do with it, hopefully you become more openminded in life.

The very notion that there's poeple who "are so hyper bad ultra noobs that facepull and never improve and keep dying with 20 seconds" is an elitist one by itself created specifically to make the person using it feel like they are above others often due to self esteem reason.

Vast vast majority of players, even average ones in most mmorpgs I ve played are not so ultra bad and hopeless like elitists love to say, most people learn from their mistakes and with mechanics such as the echo an extreme trial will be defeated after a few wipes, the people who are completely clueless rarely que for higher content but elitists keep pretending as if a few wipes are literally the end of the world and jump out because god forbid they dont have a quick efficient roflstomp to get their rewards and leave.

This is what it truly comes out to, Mentors and typical elitists feel so entitled to rewards that they believe anything other than a hyper efficient quick run is literally the worst thing to happen to them and start complaining about those ultra noobs ruining their run by not being efficient, truly 1st world problems.

So i absolutely hope they remove rewards from mentors because Mentors should become mentors to mentor, not for the rewards and titles.

[Misplaced_Marbles]

I think mentors should stop excusing their own laziness and either stop doing the roulette just for the rewards if they're unwilling to do their job, or quit blaming others for their own shortcomings and help others do their best while they do their own. Multiple times i've seen a bunch of mentore, as in multiple mentors, in a duty and none of them explain jack, so their job fall on someone elses shoulders who didn't even sign up to help. They just did it because it would help everyone complete the duty and they got no extra rewards for doing it. Unlike you pompous lot, i won't say that all mentors do that, but many do. "Anecdotal evidence"? Yeah, exactly like your unbelievably unrealistic claims.

[Nethereal]

The very notion that there's poeple who "are so hyper bad ultra noobs that facepull and never improve and keep dying with 20 seconds" is an elitist one

Going to stop you right there, you're not a mentor are you? I am a mentor and I have seen people who do exactly that and it isn't because they're being malicious it's because they're new, don't care, don't know, or aren't using the same language.
You're massively projecting.

I haven't even read the rest of your post but based off the fact your argument revolves around a false equivalency I don't think there's much to see.

Hopefully you learn to be less hateful of facts.

[Ralph2449]

you're not a mentor are you? I am a mentor and I have seen people

Ah yes, the flawless and cant do no wrong mentor that knows better than the "non mentors" whose view is to be trusted and listened to because they are mentors.

Not as if you are the first person who believes something completely false in order to make themselves feel superior. But hey keep telling yourself and others about those scary ultra bad casuals that never learn and keep queing in extremes for some reason all day and somehow keep wiping with 20 seconds consecutively and there's no bias from your side at all xD

[ZedxKayn]

Going to stop you right there, you're not a mentor are you? I am a mentor and I have seen people who do exactly that and it isn't because they're being malicious it's because they're new, don't care, don't know, or aren't using the same language.
You're massively projecting.

I haven't even read the rest of your post but based off the fact your argument revolves around a false equivalency I don't think there's much to see.

Hopefully you learn to be less hateful of facts.

It's a troll, best ignore him

[Nethereal]

Ah yes, the flawless and cant do no wrong mentor that knows better than the "non mentors" whose view is to be trusted and listened to because they are mentors.

Not as if you are the first person who believes something completely false in order to make themselves feel superior. But hey keep telling yourself and others about those scary ultra bad casuals that never learn and keep queing in extremes for some reason all day and somehow keep wiping with 20 seconds consecutively and there's no bias from your side at all xD

Once again you're projecting. I bring up the fact I am a mentor because if you were also one you would know that there are people like that who actually exist in this game and that using false equivalencies from other games is just side stepping the fact you have no actual experience or knowledge on the matter.

I have no bias, you however do. Remove the rewards it doesn't matter, the people who wipe 20 times in a row to the first mechanic will still exist and so to will mentors who have no patience for beginners.

A certain mind is a closed mind.

[Nethereal]

It's a troll, best ignore him

Thanks for letting me know. I was getting a little suspicious.

[Ralph2449]

I have no bias

Yeah I think that answers everything and why I wouldnt trust the average gamer and their beliefs of those "ultra bad casuals who never improve"

[Nethereal]

Yeah I think that answers everything and why I wouldnt trust the average gamer and their beliefs of those "ultra bad casuals who never improve"

So to recap:

Wants to remove rewards from mentors.

Has a picturesque view on what a mentor is, like how a child views their parents.

Only has anecdotal evidence from the JP data center, considered the safest and most consistent of all 3. Has public blacklists.

Believes bad players can only exist within the confines and the continuity of big bad elitist boogie men ready name and shame them.

Uses false equivalencies from different games in an attempt to mask ignorance of the localized issue with no actual experience in the game being referenced.

Assumes that Echo will solve everything and you will clear in a "few" wipes.

Assumes "the people who are completely clueless rarely que for higher content" when in reality that is why they're queuing.

Strawman's "Elitist's" for caring about a "few" wipes.

Assumes every mentor that leaves is an "Elitist" and nothing else.

Detracts from a person with actual experience in the localized issue in an attempt to mask they fact they have nothing relevant to say in response.

Believes that everyone is wrong and only I can be right and to say otherwise is coping mechanism in order to boost your self worth in order to feel morally superior and there can be no other reason.

Strawman's my position in the argument while still managing to not answer or convey any meaningful intent other than "'Elitist' bad I go now and complain about 'Elitist' I am right you are wrong."

Is not a mentor.

Does a passive aggressive copout reply because they have nothing intelligent, informative, or of any valuable substance on the issue to say.

Believes everyone arguing against their narrative has bias and is an "Elitist" that are scared of "Ultra Bad Casuals" and there can be no neutrality.

Is a well-rounded, calm, thoughtful individual, who thinks about what comes out of their head before they type it out.

Has no Bias.