Quote Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami View Post
My main point is though, again i point to the new Zadnor sets. Where literally 3 out of the (6?7?) sets are literal female gear just put on a male character. I don’t think they even altered it in any way.
Part 3 gear:

"3 out of 7" is kind of dramatic when it's 1 out of 3 actual designs.

The male version of the DPS gear does get different shorts and the contrast colour piece on the chest is cut differently, and in any case I think character-based outfits make sense to stick close to the character over adapting it.

I do agree they're not always good at making male versions of designs and they miss some chances for really nice things.


Quote Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami View Post
Instead of take time to properly alter certain glams so it suits both males and females, we’re just left with really weird either inherently feminine or androgynous gear/hair.
https://imgur.com/dFUrtdj case and point
(Case in point actually, but anyway.)

That's something I find a problem for both genders. I don't like the braids and flyaway bits they keep sticking on the designs either.

I do want to argue "androgynous" though because that specifically implies to me that it looks feminine on a man and masculine on a woman, which is true for some of the designs they bring out, but they also have unisex styles that look like they belong on either gender, and that doesn't make them "not masculine" just because they also look good on women.

I think it comes back to the same problem of women simply having a larger variety of styles considered gender-appropriate for them. They can have short boyish hair but a man can't have long hair in pigtails. The window of "things too masculine to suit a female character" is far far smaller than "things too feminine to suit a male character".


Quote Originally Posted by Juzjuzz View Post
It's easier to make something unisex if it's plain.

If you add frills and ribbons on a unisex outfit to make it masculine it will end up different than adding frills and ribbons to make it feminine.
That's my point. You can't add frills and ribbons to make it masculine, so what do you add instead?

How do you turn a thing from "plain so it's unisex" to "obviously this can only be for men"?

I don't think you can, and I would honestly love to know the answer if there is something.


Quote Originally Posted by Juzjuzz View Post
I think genderlocking is a good solution, if there's not enough time to make 1 feminine and 1 masculine option for everyone: make something that looks decent on every race and gender.
If they have time to make one feminine and one masculine style, great. They can still make both of those styles available to everyone.

If not, the goal of "making every style look great on every race and gender" is exactly how we get mired in nothing but "unisex" styles that are short for women and longish for men and not really satisfying anyone when they just keep coming out with minor variations of the same thing.

The designs should alternate between masculine and feminine (and maybe some things with specific races in mind), but the actual equippability should always be for everyone. If you don't like feminine styles being available to you, you don't need to use them, but it's not offensive that they make it available to you in the first place.