9S Glam

[Iscah]

My main point is though, again i point to the new Zadnor sets. Where literally 3 out of the (6?7?) sets are literal female gear just put on a male character. I don’t think they even altered it in any way.

Part 3 gear:

"3 out of 7" is kind of dramatic when it's 1 out of 3 actual designs.

The male version of the DPS gear does get different shorts and the contrast colour piece on the chest is cut differently, and in any case I think character-based outfits make sense to stick close to the character over adapting it.

I do agree they're not always good at making male versions of designs and they miss some chances for really nice things.

Instead of take time to properly alter certain glams so it suits both males and females, we’re just left with really weird either inherently feminine or androgynous gear/hair.
https://imgur.com/dFUrtdj case and point

(Case in point actually, but anyway.)

That's something I find a problem for both genders. I don't like the braids and flyaway bits they keep sticking on the designs either.

I do want to argue "androgynous" though because that specifically implies to me that it looks feminine on a man and masculine on a woman, which is true for some of the designs they bring out, but they also have unisex styles that look like they belong on either gender, and that doesn't make them "not masculine" just because they also look good on women.

I think it comes back to the same problem of women simply having a larger variety of styles considered gender-appropriate for them. They can have short boyish hair but a man can't have long hair in pigtails. The window of "things too masculine to suit a female character" is far far smaller than "things too feminine to suit a male character".

It's easier to make something unisex if it's plain.

If you add frills and ribbons on a unisex outfit to make it masculine it will end up different than adding frills and ribbons to make it feminine.

That's my point. You can't add frills and ribbons to make it masculine, so what do you add instead?

How do you turn a thing from "plain so it's unisex" to "obviously this can only be for men"?

I don't think you can, and I would honestly love to know the answer if there is something.

I think genderlocking is a good solution, if there's not enough time to make 1 feminine and 1 masculine option for everyone: make something that looks decent on every race and gender.

If they have time to make one feminine and one masculine style, great. They can still make both of those styles available to everyone.

If not, the goal of "making every style look great on every race and gender" is exactly how we get mired in nothing but "unisex" styles that are short for women and longish for men and not really satisfying anyone when they just keep coming out with minor variations of the same thing.

The designs should alternate between masculine and feminine (and maybe some things with specific races in mind), but the actual equippability should always be for everyone. If you don't like feminine styles being available to you, you don't need to use them, but it's not offensive that they make it available to you in the first place.

[Lauront]

I think genderlocking is a good solution, if there's not enough time to make 1 feminine and 1 masculine option for everyone: make something that looks decent on every race and gender.

I agree 100%.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Part 3 gear:

The designs should alternate between masculine and feminine (and maybe some things with specific races in mind), but the actual equippability should always be for everyone. If you don't like feminine styles being available to you, you don't need to use them, but it's not offensive that they make it available to you in the first place.

Heavily disagree with this. It’s reasons like this why males barely get anything. The devs spend time trying to make outfits sized and fit for non genderlocked gear(they’ve done it this expansion, aka the expansion where males have been hit the hardest) trying to take off genderlocked gear on certain pieces, taking time away from things we could’ve gotten, like 9S glam to tie it back into this. When it’s taking time away from an entire group of people, then yes it offends me. I’m tired of seeing constant glams be female geared. Of course, you playing a female character may disagree, but it’s easy for you to do so.

[Juzjuzz]

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I admit it's difficult.
A good example is this : https://pro2-bar-s3-cdn-cf4.myportfo...1789f04909434f
You can't tell me that it wasn't done for a male roe or highlander 1rst. Females can wear it, but a lot of players won't like it. Just like male can wear dresses, but a lot of player don't enjoy it.
And sometimes the adjustments made for female are done for nudity reasons. I'm sure a lot ppl wouldn't mind to see females wearing the exact same thing as this : https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acc...0f19058426.jpg

Females can look good with almost everything in game, it's really rare to see something that looks as goofy as a male roe with the latest haircut. Even if some dissagree, how many players who play male actually wear it or even tried it ? Most of them would gladly exange for something else.

They are already "alternating" between masculine and feminine, result: bozja got 1 masculine hair + 2 very feminine hair. 1 of the 2 feminine hair could have been androgynous, the last one was easy to change or find something close lmao.

Girls wanted long hair ? Males too you know ? xD here you go :
https://s11.favim.com/orig/7/759/759...om-7590204.png
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/to...path-prefix=fr
males will 100% hate this : https://pm1.narvii.com/5679/dfebe42e...7c997be_hq.jpg
http://images5.fanpop.com/image/answ...es_332_219.jpg
No way females can like thoose.
Solutions exist to make both parts happy but some ppl really want their long braids on shoulder, cute ribbons, cute curly hair etc... Even if males get shit on at the same time.
Even if some don't like short "boyish" hair, they don't look horrible with it. That's why some ppl here like me are unhappy, cute "anime little sister" hair really looks awful on males. Without any alternative it doesnt have to go that far.

[Iscah]

Even if some don't like short "boyish" hair, they don't look horrible with it. That's why some ppl here like me are unhappy, cute "anime little sister" hair really looks awful on males. Without any alternative it doesnt have to go that far.

That is my point.

They could do a 50/50 perfect balance between masculine and feminine styles, and female characters would still have a much higher chance of looking good in the masculine styles than male characters would in the feminine styles.

That's still not a reason to arbitrarily limit those styles to only being worn by the designated gender so you can feel like you're getting something that female characters can't have.

It will look unbalanced, but the alternative is petty.

[Juzjuzz]

so you can feel like you're getting something that female characters can't have.

I don't guive a fuck about that and everyone else in this thread imo ^^'
We just don't want to avoid haircuts that look great on females, then 100% shitty if you play a masculine male character (when there's only 1 new haircut). "everything for everyone" works better for feminine characters only. I'm okay with having 1 less options that feminine characters when 2 haircuts are released at the same time, at least 1 is better than zero.
And genderlocking is just better for us no matter what sadly.

[Theodric]

It doesn't help that there's been requests for years for character customisation to be expanded to allow for more facial hair options and tattoos. Both of which could easily be added as a glamour if, for whatever reason, the customisation options cannot be altered directly outside of allowing for new hairstyles.

Meanwhile, each new patch adds flowers as hair adornments - which, again, are primarily aimed at female characters.

I think there's a lot more that could be done in regards to making the game feel a little less like it is treating male characters as second class citizens, personally. Especially when on a global level the gender split is roughly 50/50 when it comes to player characters.

[Iscah]

I don't guive a fuck about that and everyone else in this thread imo ^^'
We just don't want to avoid haircuts that look great on females, then 100% shitty if you play a masculine male character (when there's only 1 new haircut). "everything for everyone" works better for feminine characters only. I'm okay with having 1 less options that feminine characters when 2 haircuts are released at the same time, at least 1 is better than zero.
And genderlocking is just better for us no matter what sadly.

But genderlocking will not give you that.

Balanced release of hairstyles is what will give you that. Regardless of who can then equip them.

The bulk of the work goes into making the model in the first place, not fitting it to character heads.

Meanwhile, each new patch adds flowers as hair adornments - which, again, are primarily aimed at female characters.

It comes back to that "plain is unisex" problem, and what sort of accessory for men they could balance it with that can't possibly appeal to women as well.

They want to provide recipes crafted from grown flowers, so what male-targeted thing could they do with that?

What could we grow in pots other than flowers that men might want to equip?

[Juzjuzz]

But genderlocking will not give you that.

Balanced release of hairstyles is what will give you that. Regardless of who can then equip them.

The bulk of the work goes into making the model in the first place, not fitting it to character heads.

I don't see why it's impossible (they did it before) and like i said it's really the worst case.

Balanced release can work as well, but a lot of players who want a classic masculine characters just don't believe in it. I saw no male character in game with any new unlocked feminine hairstyles so far, almost the same with older ones from stormblood. Meanwile i saw a lot of females using the boyish haircuts. Where are the guys who are supposed to like all the feminine haircuts ? 2 years and i barely see any. Am i the only one ? And then unlocking is better ? I just don't believe it for now...

[Theodric]

People playing female characters suggest a specific thing, the development team generally work to add that thing to the game. In some cases - such as with Edda Blackblossom's outfit - Yoshi-P even expressed enthusiasm about adding it. I believe that is also gender locked? Not that I'd use it, but still...

Meanwhile, when someone requests something for male characters, no matter how popular the request is the reaction is lukewarm. Yoshi-P expressed surprise that people wanted facial hair as an option for character customisation. A strange reaction given that efforts were made to make the in-game footage of the Warrior of Darkness sport stubble.