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    Quote Originally Posted by Juzjuzz View Post
    The lastest raid has male specific outfits, but female specific outfits as well. And the "unisex-masculine coats" are litterally coats without feminine stuff on it. Does that make it masculine ? Imo it was more unisex.
    And here, I think, is where we run into the "it's all unisex not masculine" argument, because I don't know how this can be resolved.

    By your logic, if something is plain it is unisex.

    If you add frills and ribbons to it, it becomes feminine and unsuitable for male characters.

    So what creates the reverse effect? What can you add to make it so masculine that a female character couldn't wear it?

    I honestly don't know if there is anything you can do there unless you can wind people's mindsets back to the era where only men wore pants and women wore skirts - and they would probably be even more inclined to class the plain outfit as masculine because unisex isn't a concept.

    This is a society-wide thing, not an FFXIV thing. Women can get away with wearing men's clothes much more easily than men can get away with wearing women's clothes, without being socially labelled as odd or even identified as wearing the "wrong clothes".

    The game maybe increases it because the real-world clues of exact style and fit that might tell you a woman is wearing clothes shaped for a man's body aren't there. In-game the outfit becomes more feminine on a female character because it is sized to fit them. So the question comes to clothing style alone, and the markers don't really exist.

    Simply enough, "unisex" isn't a third shared type of clothing besides masculine and feminine, but women taking over the male half of a once-binary concept.


    TL;DR: Women can wear plain things and frilly things, pants and skirts without being labelled "unfeminine". Men cannot wear frilly things and skirts without being labelled "unmasculine". This is not a problem of FFXIV's making.


    Quote Originally Posted by Juzjuzz View Post
    Wind Caller is masculine, i agree and shouldn't have been used as a unisex haircut
    Whatever you think of their theoretical balance between male and female styles, the solution is not functional genderlocking. It's not any less of a masculine hairstyle because female characters are allowed to equip it.

    Conversely, there's no reason the feminine styles should be locked to female characters. If I can get something long and fancy to work well on my male characters, I'd be all for using it.
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    Last edited by Iscah; 06-02-2021 at 06:37 PM.

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