Final Fantasy XIV and a Culture of Enabling

[Awha]

What do you mean what's the big deal? I'm just answering the confusion you stated in your post.

The point remains, if "underperforming" is defined subjectively, then it's irrelevant. If it is defined objectively, then it must be relevant to the objective of the content.

And no matter how much you want to talk about potentiality, tank losing aggro and healer not healing has a bigger potential for not completing the objective than simply dps not putting as much damage as tank/healer.

Thing is it is only irrelevant into relation to SE doing anything about. They will not, nor do I recall saying that performance is an objective metric if I did sorry, I to recall saying the that the outcome of a vote in a party is an objective metric but I do not recall saying that regarding performance. I have always been in the camp that standards are subjective and that is what creates this issue in the first place cause we all have different views on the matter.

Sure it may hold more potential but as mentioned but the degree of potential trouble does not matter to me I am a action driven person. I operate on a very binary system. If one action can cause a similar outcome no matter how likely or unlikely I will not do said action. Unless I am willing to live with the consequences. IRL it has different implications though in the game as mentioned and I agree one carries higher risk of wipe but to me the risk factor does not devalue the action itself. I judge them on the action and not the outcome.

[linayar]

I have always been in the camp that standards are subjective and that is what creates this issue in the first place cause we all have different views on the matter.

I actually think it's the opposite. If there is no objective standard, then there is no issue. If issues arise, it's because people think there is an objective standard, and thus want to say that others are doing it wrong. If you like pineapples on your pizza, I would disagree, but there is no issue because it's subjective.

I operate on a very binary system.

I understand and I'm not trying to change you, but I do think that causes more issue than anything else. I think, for many aspects of life, there are degrees to be considered. Some are more important than others.

[Awha]

I actually think it's the opposite. If there is no objective standard, then there is no issue. If issues arise, it's because people think there is an objective standard, and thus want to say that others are doing it wrong. If you like pineapples on your pizza, I would disagree, but there is no issue because it's subjective.

I understand and I'm not trying to change you, but I do think that causes more issue than anything else. I think, for many aspects of life, there are degrees to be considered. Some are more important than others.

I agree in an ideal situation it should not be an issue, though in practice I have at least from my own experience it is the opposite. The issue stems in my opinion from an emotional and bias ridden response. For example may not be a one to one comparison. I am a life long vegan, in the end it should not matter if I have non vegan friends yet in the eyes of my family it is considered wrong due to their own personal reasoning which is fair but from experience many have a hard time not letting that personal reason be cause for concern through an emotional repose where they try to convert the person instead of just accepting it.

Like with the whole vote kick thing, people will blast you for removing someone because they do not agree with the reason when largely in terms of what SE actually does. The reason as to why the vote happened should be moot all that should matter is the outcome of the vote.

I get the vote kick is a tad murky cause in theory you are forcing your standard onto another person if they are removed but that also creates other issues then in theory should we never remove someone cause generally I do not think people will ever really find agreement unless big brother SE lays down the law, and enforces said law.

Though I do like pineapple pizza, and I respectfully accept your position of not liking a correct form of pizza. Joking aside I hope what I am saying makes sense why I think having subjective standards on paper is cool but I do not people are mature enough to handle them.