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    Quote Originally Posted by linayar View Post
    Ok, let's get to the point:

    If a tank doesn't keep aggro, the enemy is likely to attack others.
    If a healer doesn't keep tank or others alive, they are likely to die. Especially cleansing doom mechanic.
    If a dps doesn't output dps, they are afk and anyone who is afk without telling others why should be kicked.

    If a dps doesn't output higher dps than healer/tank, fight will take longer, but that's it, healers are not likely to lose mp unless it's really low dps along with other factors. You say you don't care about stuff, I don't care about this last part. Oh no, it takes more GCDs to kill. Whatever, unless it's borderline afk, meaning they stop casting every other gcd or something.
    Here is the thing I do not recall ever saying you should care about those things. This has just been a discussion over how people define underperforming. Sure you may not be bothered by x others are. So what is the big deal?

    That is the thing people say we should not care about x we should let it slide or use the PF. Though if you dare say yeah I care about x and I will kick people for doing x you are seen as some intolerant asshole by others. When in reality if you break down x to the core they functionally are a product of the same thing just not being able to play their role.

    Sure some are more tolerant to certain degrees of poor play others may not so what is largely the big deal in having a different view in regards to what they view as underperforming. For some the consequences are irrelevant I do not harp on such things because I am afraid of a wipe or want to go fast all the time. If speed was my core concern I would just suck it up since it is quicker to play another with someone then wait 5 min into the dungeon to remove someone. Wiping in this game in most content is the futherest thing from my mind.

    In the end this is why I say people should just be liberal with the vote kick feature, and if it does not pass then leave. Queue with friends or use PF. I do not think SE can or will do anything regarding this since we have a means to remove people from parties and queue with people who to wish to play with.

    Though I fo strongly disagree that DF means we should just accept what we get, and I do not think people should take getting removed from group personally or see it as a form of griefing or harassment unless they can prove such things.

    Often it is just a product of not meshing with the group.

    One thing I will say to those that say people like myself should queue with friends and stuff I agree and for the most part I do. Though I will say from the free style sam to the afk eos healer sch the same could be said for them.

    In the end if you want to play a certain way free from judgement queue with friends. DF is a mixed bag though if you do use DF and run into someone that is doing something that is impacting your experience do not just sit and take it or just leave. Try the vote see what happens often times you may be shocked how some may be thinking or feel the same way but simply do not want to pull the trigger so to speak. What is the worse the happens it does not pass, at that point take your leave.

    As mentioned you may not see the difference and that is fine in eyes a dps doing less damage then a tank or healer is in the same boat as a healer that refuses to cleanse doom or a tank not using cooldowns. They all suck at their role and I rather not deal with it and thay is why use the tools in the game to avoid such people.

    Cause if you break it down both outcomes are products of not knowing how to play their role. The why matters very little to me personally. Though if people do not think like that cool. I may not get it and I will ask questions to try and get it. Those please understand me asking questions to try and get it has little to do with trying to change your mind and more so with trying to understand the reasoning behind it.
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