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    Quote Originally Posted by Kesey View Post
    This quote is the answer to the above argument.

    But lets not forget that the World of Darkness dungeon was created with bosses from Greek mythology. So of course it would have a hydra, regardless of the lore reason that would have been filled in later.
    It was actually just created with the bosses, save Echidna, that appear in World of Darkness from FFIII. They upgraded Twinheaded Dragon to Five-Headed Dragon while making a Two Headed Dragon a trash monster (probably because we'd already fought a Hydra in the relic quest available at 50). They are Greek mythos references, but in FFXIV's case, it's more of wanting to reference the source Final Fantasy than anything else.

    Edit: That's also the actual reason there are Xande Clones, Kunoichi, Shinobi, and all those other trash monsters as well, hehe. Though I think the Atomos segment is unique.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyrerus View Post
    It was actually just created with the bosses, save Echidna, that appear in World of Darkness from FFIII. They upgraded Twinheaded Dragon to Five-Headed Dragon while making a Two Headed Dragon a trash monster (probably because we'd already fought a Hydra in the relic quest available at 50). They are Greek mythos references, but in FFXIV's case, it's more of wanting to reference the source Final Fantasy than anything else.

    Edit: That's also the actual reason there are Xande Clones, Kunoichi, Shinobi, and all those other trash monsters as well, hehe. Though I think the Atomos segment is unique.
    I highly suggest googling Echidna and Greek mythology and the deep darkness and Greek mythology. Also gods cloning themselves is a common theme in Greek mythology too. Atomos is the Greek word for "not-cuttable"--which is how we got the word atom because of the idea that everything can be broken down into its smallest components (atoms) and that small component cannot be destroyed.

    I realize that source material for this raid came straight from Final Fantasy III but realize that Final Fantasy III was using Greek mythology source material. A reference of a reference still finds a common base, which is the true source material.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kesey View Post
    I highly suggest googling Echidna and Greek mythology and the deep darkness and Greek mythology. Also gods cloning themselves is a common theme in Greek mythology too. Atomos is the Greek word for "not-cuttable"--which is how we got the word atom because of the idea that everything can be broken down into its smallest components (atoms) and that small component cannot be destroyed.

    I realize that source material for this raid came straight from Final Fantasy III but realize that Final Fantasy III was using Greek mythology source material. A reference of a reference still finds a common base, which is the true source material.
    I am versed in Greek Mythology. I said, "Save Echidna" because she doesn't appear in WoD in FFXIV, but in the Void Ark instead. Almost all Final Fantasies have pulled from mythologies from all over the world. It's a lot easier than inventing new monsters off the cuff. The actual relation of FFIII's plot to Greek Myths is pretty much only in monster references.

    Also I wouldn't say that Greek gods "cloning" themselves was a common occurrence in the myths. Not sure where you're getting that from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyrerus View Post
    Also I wouldn't say that Greek gods "cloning" themselves was a common occurrence in the myths. Not sure where you're getting that from.
    Idk what you would define as "cloning", but when a god makes an exact copy of another god, I call it cloning. Lets not mince definitions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kesey View Post
    Idk what you would define as "cloning", but when a god makes an exact copy of another god, I call it cloning. Lets not mince definitions.
    I don't think he's mincing words. Whether you call them clones or copies, how often do the Greek gods make copies of themselves or any other god? Not often enough to be called "common" I don't think.

    I'm hard-pressed to think of even one myth where a Greek god copies him/herself or anyone else. Could they do it? Probably; it wouldn't surprise me if it did happen once or twice in stories I'm less familiar with. But commonly?
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