Galdjent Viis and mystel- what's behind those names on the first?

[Enkidoh]

They also have draco, flying lizard-like creatures which are non-sentinent, but still monsterous (a number of FATEs in Lakeland deal with them hunting merchants which the beleagured Crystarium guard found difficult to prevent).

There is also that very large egg (or rather, the shattered shell from one) near the fae-amaro encampment in Il Mheg that, no one seems to know what came out of it. Given the size, it's former occupant is most likely huge....

[WhiteArchmage]

There is also that very large egg (or rather, the shattered shell from one) near the fae-amaro encampment in Il Mheg that, no one seems to know what came out of it. Given the size, it's former occupant is most likely huge....

I had the impression the implication was that it's the egg of the not-so-mythical samiel, the main target from the Facet of Gathering quests. Though I don't think it's outright confirmed.

[LineageRazor]

Or the concept of dragons predates Midgardsormr's arrival and the label simply got attached to them because they fit the idea.

I find this concept to be very likely. Dragons could very well have been a thing in the world of the Ancients (as legends or reality or Creation, but NOT specifically Midgardsormr's kind). After the Sundering, draconic legends lived on across all fourteen worlds. When Middy DID land on the source, he and his kin looked dragon-like and so, on the source, became that world's idea of dragons.

Again, though, it doesn't explain how a specifically Midgardsormr-draconic word got tied to the Drahn race on the First. Either it's a ginormous coincidence, or there was some transfer of knowledge from the Source to the First after Midgardsormr's arrival.

[Vyrerus]

Per my last post, dragons have been captured by voidsent for thousands of years, and in this manner, may have been spread to any shard via mages creating void portals.

[Enkidoh]

Per my last post, dragons have been captured by voidsent for thousands of years, and in this manner, may have been spread to any shard via mages creating void portals.

Those 'void dragons' used models that were originally from FFXI however, and I don't think are really representative of anything more deeper other than "they look evil" and are thus just monsters with no connection or relation to Midgardsormr's species (same as there are also FFXI Dark Kindred appearing here in FFXIV as Voidsent too - who were considered beastmen in FFXI) - after all I'd long thought their heads looked more like dogs than dragons even back in my FFXI days! :P

So I wouldn't read too much into the 'void dragons' actually once being actual dragons, but were just added for atmosphere due to being 'demonic looking' and also to be a tip of the hat to FFXI.

[Vyrerus]

Those 'void dragons' used models that were originally from FFXI however, and I don't think are really representative of anything more deeper other than "they look evil" and are thus just monsters with no connection or relation to Midgardsormr's species (same as there are also FFXI Dark Kindred appearing here in FFXIV as Voidsent too - who were considered beastmen in FFXI) - after all I'd long thought their heads looked more like dogs than dragons even back in my FFXI days! :P

So I wouldn't read too much into the 'void dragons' actually once being actual dragons, but were just added for atmosphere due to being 'demonic looking' and also to be a tip of the hat to FFXI.

Go to Eureka and look again. I'm not talking about the Shadow Dragon models. There are straight up Void Flood and Flame dragons that look identical to FFXIV dragons of Midgardsormr's descendants. As for demons being beastmen in FFXI, yes and no. They were allied and in charge of the Beastmen Confederacy, but they were ultimately still tied to the Dark Divinity and the dark crystal that made Raogrimm into the Shadowkeeper. They aren't like the Orcs, Quadav, or Yagudo. Their origin is never expounded on, and they are said to have completely vanished after the Crystal War was over until Raogrimm came back.

[Enkidoh]

Go to Eureka and look again. I'm not talking about the Shadow Dragon models. There are straight up Void Flood and Flame dragons that look identical to FFXIV dragons of Midgardsormr's descendants. As for demons being beastmen in FFXI, yes and no. They were allied and in charge of the Beastmen Confederacy, but they were ultimately still tied to the Dark Divinity and the dark crystal that made Raogrimm into the Shadowkeeper. They aren't like the Orcs, Quadav, or Yagudo. Their origin is never expounded on, and they are said to have completely vanished after the Crystal War was over until Raogrimm came back.

I concede on that point at least (about the void dragons), but as far as the Kindred go, I know the backstory about the Crystal War in FFXI did mention "they vanished completely" after the Shadowlord's defeat... except the player soon discovers to their chagrin the Northlands are still filled with them so they didn't really disappear at all (specifically Xarcarbard and Castle Zvhal). And yes, they are technically beastmen, but the game's bestiary does class them as 'demons' (so the SAM's 'Demon Killer' trait meant they did extra damage against them). I don't really remember there being any explanation exactly where the Kindred came from other than the Odin connection - but then FFXI's lore has always been very vague and obtuse.

Once again, I'm just going to put down their inclusion in FFXIV as Voidsent as just for coolness points and not representative of a deeper meaning, same as we also have FFXI goblins, qi'qirn and mamool'ja here in FFXIV which look identical to their FFXI brethern... yet have a totally different backstory and culture, even way of speaking. So basically, same name and appearence... and yet are totally different species.

[Vyrerus]

I concede on that point at least (about the void dragons), but as far as the Kindred go, I know the backstory about the Crystal War in FFXI did mention "they vanished completely" after the Shadowlord's defeat... except the player soon discovers to their chagrin the Northlands are still filled with them so they didn't really disappear at all (specifically Xarcarbard and Castle Zvhal). And yes, they are technically beastmen, but the game's bestiary does class them as 'demons' (so the SAM's 'Demon Killer' trait meant they did extra damage against them). I don't really remember there being any explanation exactly where the Kindred came from other than the Odin connection - but then FFXI's lore has always been very vague and obtuse.

Once again, I'm just going to put down their inclusion in FFXIV as Voidsent as just for coolness points and not representative of a deeper meaning, same as we also have FFXI goblins, qi'qirn and mamool'ja here in FFXIV which look identical to their FFXI brethern... yet have a totally different backstory and culture, even way of speaking. So basically, same name and appearence... and yet are totally different species.

A lot of XI was a vague mystery and I miss it sometimes! During Adoulin I was lowkey hoping for demon origins, but then we got Super Beings instead or whatever the robot lookin' things are that you gotta fight before you fight XI's Hades. Heh

And yeah, there's a lot of reuse mobs, just for ease of reusing assets. Just, in this case, they've put the void moniker on dragons all over the place. And have the Hydras which are Meracydian dragons per Azys Lla (or at the very least, Allagan experimentation on them). And there's several in WoD and Eureka heh.

Still hoping they have the dragons of XIV expound on the XIV's Provenance Watcher at some point.

This also reminds me that in the O10 fight, as Midgardsormr is readying his ultimate, he refers to the Dragon Star as the eldest star. Then launches the attack, "Protostar." Dragons be old...

[LineageRazor]

A lot of XI was a vague mystery and I miss it sometimes! During Adoulin I was lowkey hoping for demon origins, but then we got Super Beings instead or whatever the robot lookin' things are that you gotta fight before you fight XI's Hades. Heh

And yeah, there's a lot of reuse mobs, just for ease of reusing assets. Just, in this case, they've put the void moniker on dragons all over the place. And have the Hydras which are Meracydian dragons per Azys Lla (or at the very least, Allagan experimentation on them). And there's several in WoD and Eureka heh.

Still hoping they have the dragons of XIV expound on the XIV's Provenance Watcher at some point.

This also reminds me that in the O10 fight, as Midgardsormr is readying his ultimate, he refers to the Dragon Star as the eldest star. Then launches the attack, "Protostar." Dragons be old...

Adoulin really did take an interesting turn there. Unexpected Lovecraftian-style horror with the introduction of Ra'Kaznar and its denizens - all threatening largely due to their sheer alienness, and corruptiveness. But yeah, it was all NEW lore, rather than expanding on old stuff. I do consider Kindred to be a variety of Beastman, however; like Beastmen in the game, they have jobs (Warrior, Black Mage, Dark Knight, and Summoner) which other monsters (including other demons) do not. They're clearly associated with the Dark Divinity, but I don't think that they completely depend on him. As you say, though, the lore of the game never makes it clear.

On the topic of Void Dragons in FFXIV, whether the FFXI-inspired ones or otherwise, Voidsent almost never are transported between worlds in bodily form. They come across as spirits, and then kill/possess/inhabit native creatures to become the Voidsent we encounter in battles. So, even if a Void Dragon WERE called to another shard, they probably wouldn't be able to take their Source-dragon body along with them. They'd need to abandon it, and occupy some other creature on the Shard.

Again, though, they COULD bring knowledge along with them in doing so, which is a possible explanation as to how the Drahn race was named. Maybe.

[Vyrerus]

Adoulin really did take an interesting turn there. Unexpected Lovecraftian-style horror with the introduction of Ra'Kaznar and its denizens - all threatening largely due to their sheer alienness, and corruptiveness. But yeah, it was all NEW lore, rather than expanding on old stuff. I do consider Kindred to be a variety of Beastman, however; like Beastmen in the game, they have jobs (Warrior, Black Mage, Dark Knight, and Summoner) which other monsters (including other demons) do not. They're clearly associated with the Dark Divinity, but I don't think that they completely depend on him. As you say, though, the lore of the game never makes it clear.

On the topic of Void Dragons in FFXIV, whether the FFXI-inspired ones or otherwise, Voidsent almost never are transported between worlds in bodily form. They come across as spirits, and then kill/possess/inhabit native creatures to become the Voidsent we encounter in battles. So, even if a Void Dragon WERE called to another shard, they probably wouldn't be able to take their Source-dragon body along with them. They'd need to abandon it, and occupy some other creature on the Shard.

Again, though, they COULD bring knowledge along with them in doing so, which is a possible explanation as to how the Drahn race was named. Maybe.

I mean, again, sort of. We know that dragon bodies CAN cross the rift. Hraesvelgr and Middy confirm it. The Hydra bodies in world of Darkness confirm it too. Unless we're gonna jump on the ship of hydras aren't dragons. But there are also a lot of other Voidsent that cross onto the Source in Eureka with the only explanation being they sensed all the tasty aether and hopped on over. I'm under the assumption that the dragons we see in Eureka came across the void as all the other voidsent did.

We get this from the Fafnir fate:

"As the old saying goes: every wyrm's ending is just a voidsent wyrm's beginning. Banish this particularly vicious example, and remember that no one's to blame—except the adventurers that killed the high dragon whose dying breath summoned forth this monstrosity."