Galdjent Viis and mystel- what's behind those names on the first?

[Vyrerus]

explicitly stated.

Got anything concrete you think about the game? You're gonna not be thinking anything is concrete with an attitude like that.

The Goryshche fate alludes to the idea that like the Chimera, the Hydra is an Allagan creation. The fusion of multiple dragon heads onto a single dragon body. Since the Goryshche is still a Hydra in pain after 5,000 years, it's likely that the Allagans also inhibited the dragon's innate ability to change forms.

You've either missed or ignored what this FATE implies. It's as close as we're going to get to the game spelling it out for us. All Hydras exist due to Allagan experimentation. Like how all Ixali, Chimeras, Lamias, Ananta, and all the other stuff that the game tied into this plot point do. This means, unless otherwise stated, that all Hydras are dragons by their ancestry.

As for whether or not the Five-Headed Dragon is a voidsent wearing dragonskin or not is irrelevant to the topic at hand. The topic at hand is that, is there a way for dragons to get to other shards in any way, shape, or form so that legends and myths could be made about them? The answer is yes.

Consider this. Where is the Five-Headed Dragon? It's on what's left of the 13th. If it's a voidsent, why is it in the shape of a Hydra, adhering to fighting as a Hydra instead of in its true voidsent form? Ultimately it doesn't matter, and we could endlessly speculate or theorize as to the whys of it. Fact is, it's in the shape of a dragon. For whatever reasons it takes that shape or that body, it knows about dragons. It knows what dragons think. It knows their language(Think of Voidsent possession and Ascian possession of living hosts). And it's been there for thousands of years.

Also there is the trash monster, the Two-Headed Dragon. Which maybe a voidsent in dragon form. This is even better for our purposes of hashing this out, because the other place Two-Headed Dragons show up at is in Newvoid in Eureka Anemos. Whatever is in Eureka that allows voidsent to cross the veil so easily is unexplained, but they do with a frightening frequency, given that there are no summoners(in the creates portals sense) to create blood pacts or open void rifts.

It follows that all we need for voidsent to show up on other shards is areas like Eureka, traditional sorcerers that surreptitiously perform void portal rituals, or super civilizations(Ronka/Allag analogues) that create stable true portals. Anyone of the three will suffice, and all that need happen is that a voidsent with a penchant to take dragon form cross over.

This is my actual logic train.

Goryshche is a hydra by appearance. (Undeniable)
Goryshche is a dragon by fate text implication. (You could also read the FATE to just be saying that he was a poor likkle Hydra that got some nasty unperceivable experiments done on him, but that would be a worthless read)
By other plot threads from both fates and dungeons and sidequests, Hydras have been implied to be experimental dragons created and distributed by the Allagans like many other species.
Five-Headed Dragon is a Hydra by appearance and a dragon by name and implication and exists in the Void.
Two-Headed Dragon is a Hydra by appearance and a dragon by name and implication and exists in the Void as well.
Therefore the Void took or was given dragons at an undefined point in the past.
The Void is accessible by sorcerers and technology on every shard.
Therefore it is highly probable that dragons were brought to the other shards by the Void.

[Kesey]

By other plot threads from both fates and dungeons and sidequests, Hydras have been implied to be experimental dragons created and distributed by the Allagans like many other species.

This quote is the answer to the above argument.

But lets not forget that the World of Darkness dungeon was created with bosses from Greek mythology. So of course it would have a hydra, regardless of the lore reason that would have been filled in later.

[Vyrerus]

This quote is the answer to the above argument.

But lets not forget that the World of Darkness dungeon was created with bosses from Greek mythology. So of course it would have a hydra, regardless of the lore reason that would have been filled in later.

It was actually just created with the bosses, save Echidna, that appear in World of Darkness from FFIII. They upgraded Twinheaded Dragon to Five-Headed Dragon while making a Two Headed Dragon a trash monster (probably because we'd already fought a Hydra in the relic quest available at 50). They are Greek mythos references, but in FFXIV's case, it's more of wanting to reference the source Final Fantasy than anything else.

Edit: That's also the actual reason there are Xande Clones, Kunoichi, Shinobi, and all those other trash monsters as well, hehe. Though I think the Atomos segment is unique.

[Kesey]

It was actually just created with the bosses, save Echidna, that appear in World of Darkness from FFIII. They upgraded Twinheaded Dragon to Five-Headed Dragon while making a Two Headed Dragon a trash monster (probably because we'd already fought a Hydra in the relic quest available at 50). They are Greek mythos references, but in FFXIV's case, it's more of wanting to reference the source Final Fantasy than anything else.

Edit: That's also the actual reason there are Xande Clones, Kunoichi, Shinobi, and all those other trash monsters as well, hehe. Though I think the Atomos segment is unique.

I highly suggest googling Echidna and Greek mythology and the deep darkness and Greek mythology. Also gods cloning themselves is a common theme in Greek mythology too. Atomos is the Greek word for "not-cuttable"--which is how we got the word atom because of the idea that everything can be broken down into its smallest components (atoms) and that small component cannot be destroyed.

I realize that source material for this raid came straight from Final Fantasy III but realize that Final Fantasy III was using Greek mythology source material. A reference of a reference still finds a common base, which is the true source material.

[Vyrerus]

I highly suggest googling Echidna and Greek mythology and the deep darkness and Greek mythology. Also gods cloning themselves is a common theme in Greek mythology too. Atomos is the Greek word for "not-cuttable"--which is how we got the word atom because of the idea that everything can be broken down into its smallest components (atoms) and that small component cannot be destroyed.

I realize that source material for this raid came straight from Final Fantasy III but realize that Final Fantasy III was using Greek mythology source material. A reference of a reference still finds a common base, which is the true source material.

I am versed in Greek Mythology. I said, "Save Echidna" because she doesn't appear in WoD in FFXIV, but in the Void Ark instead. Almost all Final Fantasies have pulled from mythologies from all over the world. It's a lot easier than inventing new monsters off the cuff. The actual relation of FFIII's plot to Greek Myths is pretty much only in monster references.

Also I wouldn't say that Greek gods "cloning" themselves was a common occurrence in the myths. Not sure where you're getting that from.

[Kesey]

Also I wouldn't say that Greek gods "cloning" themselves was a common occurrence in the myths. Not sure where you're getting that from.

Idk what you would define as "cloning", but when a god makes an exact copy of another god, I call it cloning. Lets not mince definitions.

[LineageRazor]

Idk what you would define as "cloning", but when a god makes an exact copy of another god, I call it cloning. Lets not mince definitions.

I don't think he's mincing words. Whether you call them clones or copies, how often do the Greek gods make copies of themselves or any other god? Not often enough to be called "common" I don't think.

I'm hard-pressed to think of even one myth where a Greek god copies him/herself or anyone else. Could they do it? Probably; it wouldn't surprise me if it did happen once or twice in stories I'm less familiar with. But commonly?

[LineageRazor]

*snip*

The main thing I was trying to deny is that we have enough evidence to say that dragons can move bodily between shards (outside of extreme cases, such as the Allagan portal to the Void). The idea that ideas could be transmitted indirectly from the Source to the First via Voidsent summoning is one I can get on board with. We could have gotten the Drahn name in that way.

I would, however, not go so far as to say that Midgardsormr dragons being bodily on other shards is "highly probable". The Crystal Tower is touted as such a miracle even Emet-Selch was taken off-guard, and there's no evidence that any civilization on the First achieved nearly the heights that the Allagans did. "Minutely possible" is a better tag, I think.

[Veloran]

The main thing I was trying to deny is that we have enough evidence to say that dragons can move bodily between shards (outside of extreme cases, such as the Allagan portal to the Void). The idea that ideas could be transmitted indirectly from the Source to the First via Voidsent summoning is one I can get on board with. We could have gotten the Drahn name in that way.

I would, however, not go so far as to say that Midgardsormr dragons being bodily on other shards is "highly probable". The Crystal Tower is touted as such a miracle even Emet-Selch was taken off-guard, and there's no evidence that any civilization on the First achieved nearly the heights that the Allagans did. "Minutely possible" is a better tag, I think.

The miracle of the Crystal Tower was in combining shard-hopping with Alexander's technology to create time travel. Midgardsormr himself could travel the rift, it's well possible that one of his children did so at some point in the past.

[LineageRazor]

The miracle of the Crystal Tower was in combining shard-hopping with Alexander's technology to create time travel. Midgardsormr himself could travel the rift, it's well possible that one of his children did so at some point in the past.

Can he, though? The one example we have of him "traveling the rift" was when he entered Omega's domain to rescue us - and there is no evidence that the way Omega's pocket universe worked is in any way related to how the Shards are divided from the Source.