FFXIV is too simplistic and bland

[FeliAiko]

OP specifically mentions level 80 content, and speaks about it as though theyve been doing it, but are instead making a long wall of text with a lvl 25 alt. And that is being charitable. Why make this choice and why should anyone humor someone who wont even post with a character that is level 80 so that we can take the criticisms seriously, particularly if they referencing end game content.

Ive no problem addressing the points, but will only do so if I can see we're gonna have a serious conversation with someone whos actually invested time and effort into playing the game. But your position seems to be "Shut up unless you take their points seriously!" despite not even knowing if theyve participated in said content theyre criticizing. If the OP wants to have a serious conversation, post on their 80 and lets see what theyve been up to. Otherwise either this really is just a sprout talking out their butt or a troll looking to waste time.

Don't understand why whether they post on a main or alt makes a difference. It's either you agree with their points or you don't. If someone says that raid boss attacks are heavily scripted, that statement doesn't become incorrect because they posted it on a lvl10 account.

My position is if you don't like the thread/content, ignore it and move on. All you people that feel inclined to respond with comments like 'I don't care, your opinion is irrelevant', 'lol troll look at their character level' etc. do is just help keep the thread alive, or show you can't respond to criticism rationally but only emotionally. Then you wonder why the OF ends up getting troll posts (that you also end up replying to, giving the person the reaction they were looking for)

[Gameovers]

Don't understand why whether they post on a main or alt makes a difference. It's either you agree with their points or you don't. If someone says that raid boss attacks are heavily scripted, that statement doesn't become incorrect because they posted it on a lvl10 account.

My position is if you don't like the thread/content, ignore it and move on. All you people that feel inclined to respond with comments like 'I don't care, your opinion is irrelevant', 'lol troll look at their character level' etc. do is just help keep the thread alive, or show you can't respond to criticism rationally but only emotionally. Then you wonder why the OF ends up getting troll posts (that you also end up replying to, giving the person the reaction they were looking for)

The problem with people who comment on stuff they didn't do or posting on an alt account is simply untrustable. Like how do you know thats what they think and they aren't just reposting stuff they heard? Even if it is true the person wouldn't know that. You and I may know that but the person saying it doesn't know that which makes their debate void. They can't talk about it cause they only have info from other people and not from their own experience. And if they are at endgame but posting on an alt it just looks fishy. Why post on an alt and make your thread or comment look fishy? Cause no matter how you slice it it looks odd complaining about endgame and we all see a level 25 character. Let me spin this another way. you're level 80. Lets say you come and make a thread saying that endgame is too easy. you're at 80 so sure.. but we look at your profile and see you didn't unlock anything at endgame. You just finished the MSQ and came here and said "Endgame is too easy." Are we supposed to take your word and seriously debate it like you know this? That's why posting on your main matters when you're talking about content. I cannot say endgame is -whatever- because I have not unlocked endgame yet. And until we find out otherwise that's what the OP is doing.

[Shurrikhan]

The problem with people who comment on stuff they didn't do or posting on an alt account is simply untrustable. Like how do you know thats what they think and they aren't just reposting stuff they heard? Even if it is true the person wouldn't know that.

But... we do. The OP doesn't have to be the organizer for any and all conversations to follow.

His idea of "fights feel too scripted" may differ from your own, just as your own criteria for "too scripted", "too chaotic" or "Goldilocks' perfect fight" will likely differ from every other Savage raider, but what does that matter so long as it (1) resonates with you and (2) you can define your criteria?

Personally, I used to run all DPS on this character and my tanks and healers on another (who, ultimately tended to get further in content because it was easier to PuG on a non-DPS). Grad school or full-time hours aside, one of the main reasons I stopped bothering so much with that duo is that any time I dared step into a conversation, despite displaying more precise knowledge than the other level 80, I'd be called out according to my lodestone profile (and its lack of say, GNB, my main on my primary alt). (Hell, I've had people convinced that all my knowledge of DRG must be feigned, only to then say I know nothing about DRK the moment I swapped over to my 80 DRG alt. I must not know AST because it's only 77, so I swap to my new healer alt I'd been enjoying at hit AST 80 on and now I must not know anything about Savage. ...And don't even dare show up to a DRK thread with "Marauder Lv 80" under your character.) All this is on a game that punishes multi-role play on a single character by way of weekly rewards.

At some point you're going to have to interface with the arguments themselves insofar as they topically resonate with you or or seem sketchy to you -- by way of their actual content, not just the poster's levels. Anything less is not only overcomplicating, but self-defeating for the community.

I'm not asking that anyone assume someone merely misspoke when they make a mistake. I'm not asking that you assume everyone has as little or as much experience as you. I'm not asking that people who've yet to figure out how to enjoy a job go unquestioned when desiring sweeping revisions to it, but such a thread can at least stimulate some discussion into how a job could be made more intuitive or the game might better scaffold understanding of its (and others') systems.

[Melichoir]

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The issue is they are speaking broadly about content they cannot have experienced based on their character.

It's one thing for you to say "You know, I think dungeons are to linear from Sastasha to Amaurot" when you have a level 80 Astro and some other high end characters, and another to be level 25 and say the same thing. In one instance, you've clearly demonstrated youve atleast participated in said content and there is some credibility that you want to have an actual discussion. The other case you have either not participated or specifically chosen to not to show us you have had experience in said content, which raises the "why" question.

As I said above, if they were talking about how low level content handles, Id grant them credibility. But theyre talking as if theyve done savage raid tier or end game content but are posting from a level 25 with mediocre gear, an account thats been around since 2012, and no alternate classes? Even if I agree or disagree with the points, why should I or anyone waste time debating them when the OP doesnt seem to concerned with proving they have some stake in the content and are purposefully posting from an alt. Not asking for peoples FFLogs here, just simply atleast have 1 character who can potentially participate in the content and overall scope of the game they see fit to criticize.

[FeliAiko]

The problem with people who comment on stuff they didn't do or posting on an alt account is simply untrustable. Like how do you know thats what they think and they aren't just reposting stuff they heard? Even if it is true the person wouldn't know that. You and I may know that but the person saying it doesn't know that which makes their debate void. They can't talk about it cause they only have info from other people and not from their own experience. And if they are at endgame but posting on an alt it just looks fishy. Why post on an alt and make your thread or comment look fishy? Cause no matter how you slice it it looks odd complaining about endgame and we all see a level 25 character. Let me spin this another way. you're level 80. Lets say you come and make a thread saying that endgame is too easy. you're at 80 so sure.. but we look at your profile and see you didn't unlock anything at endgame. You just finished the MSQ and came here and said "Endgame is too easy." Are we supposed to take your word and seriously debate it like you know this? That's why posting on your main matters when you're talking about content. I cannot say endgame is -whatever- because I have not unlocked endgame yet. And until we find out otherwise that's what the OP is doing.

I mean, the OP account is 8 years old with a post count exceeding 900. I imagine if it was someone trolling or just parroting stuff to rile ppl up or whatever the post history would give them away, so the 'they're on an alt so not trustworthy' doesn't hold weight really.

[Iscah]

I mean, the OP account is 8 years old with a post count exceeding 900. I imagine if it was someone trolling or just parroting stuff to rile ppl up or whatever the post history would give them away, so the 'they're on an alt so not trustworthy' doesn't hold weight really.

His post history absolutely gives him away as it involves starting one of these long complaint threads once a month or so, combined with talking about how he's nobly doing this in a deliberately inflammatory way so his message "gains traction" to get the devs' attention. He's doing this very deliberately, either as a troll or with a genuinely overinflated opinion of his views on the game.

Arguing back and forth about him is adding fuel to his fire.

[FeliAiko]

His post history absolutely gives him away as it involves starting one of these long complaint threads once a month or so, combined with talking about how he's nobly doing this in a deliberately inflammatory way so his message "gains traction" to get the devs' attention. He's doing this very deliberately, either as a troll or with a genuinely overinflated opinion of his views on the game.

Arguing back and forth about him is adding fuel to his fire.

See, now I can accept this assessment in regards to OP credibility as opposed to 'he's on a alt character so point is automatically void'. I could easily change this current char to a sub lvl50 alt and by some of these posters logic, I suddenly can't say anything about this game because I haven't reached endgame on said character.

[Gameovers]

See, now I can accept this assessment in regards to OP credibility as opposed to 'he's on a alt character so point is automatically void'. I could easily change this current char to a sub lvl50 alt and by some of these posters logic, I suddenly can't say anything about this game because I haven't reached endgame on said character.

The difference in you changing your default character to some level 50 alt is you have reached endgame. The OP has not. Which means until he proves he has which going by his post history he has not. He can't speak on endgame cause he hasn't played it. Would you talk about buliding a house if you never build one? Would you comment on how making a cake is done if you never made one? If you did don't expect people to listen to you This is the same thing.

[Iscah]

The difference in you changing your default character to some level 50 alt is you have reached endgame.

If they changed their displayed character, I'm not sure that you can actually track down who their other character at endgame is, unless they tell you. Which would defeat the purpose of posting as an alt.

Currently I have eight characters registered to my account. If you go to the Characters tab of my profile, you can only see the four that I have manually linked. As far as I'm aware, there's no way of identifying who the others are either from my profile or via Lodestone.

Even if you could do that, there's no way of confirming that they don't have a second account entirely. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, and all that.

This is not to defend his views, but simply to point out that there wouldn't be a visible difference between someone who has reached endgame and someone who hasn't if they choose to conceal it.

[FeliAiko]

The difference in you changing your default character to some level 50 alt is you have reached endgame.

You would only know this in hindsight, because my exchanges with you have been under my registered main. If every post I made in this thread prior to our exchange was done under my alt-registered character, you'd have no clue if I've done endgame or not. You'd only have the assumption I haven't because all you'd see is a char that's not lvl 80. That's why just going off registered char is flawed. At least Iscah made their case using the OP's post history, which is a comparatively better metric.

With that said, not every criticism about XIV endgame requires you to experience endgame first hand. I don't have to know how to bake a cake to see that a muffin is simple compared to a wedding cake. Same way I don't have to personally Hero's Gauntlet when, from observation, the dungeon design follows the same formula as the very first dungeon in the game. Now if I comment on Hero's difficulty without having experienced it then that would be another story.