FFXIV is too simplistic and bland

[Katie_Kitty]

Tastes are subjective but that's not even up to debate at this point. The combo and subjob system in XI alone are way more thought-provoking than XIV. /shrug

I know nothing about XI, but you do realize there are many many other FF games, right? And NONE of them come anywhere close to XIV in terms of combat complexity?

[Payadopa]

Don't let someone who is fishing hear that ...

You go me there. Haha

[Melichoir]

Don't understand why whether they post on a main or alt makes a difference. It's either you agree with their points or you don't. If someone says that raid boss attacks are heavily scripted, that statement doesn't become incorrect because they posted it on a lvl10 account.

Because it shows that theyve dealt with the subject matter on hand and want to have a serious conversation about it. This is important when the crux of the OP's thoughts rely on end game stuff and with that alt (if it is), they havent seen end game. If the conversation started was talking about how slow FFXIV is at low levels, and how there needs to be some changes to the early game, Id respond to that and give my thoughts. But therye not referencing just htat, theyre referencing content they cant have participated on with the character listed.

Furthermore, I did not say that their points were invalid because they were level 25, I said that there is no need to justify responses to someone posting on a lvl 25 character with mediocre gear and no other classes even leveled particularly if theyre referencing end game content as a big part of their criticisms, because there is a strong likelyhood the poster is either:

A) A sprout who hasnt actually been a part of the content theyre criticizing and are regurgitating talking points theyve read without actually experiencing or understanding the nuance behind them. This makes having a good conversation almost non existance cause they simply dont know what theyre talking to a degree that actually matters

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B) Theyre a troll using an alt to get people riled up and waste time debating parts of the game that they have no actual desire to debate, which makes taking a ton of time offering counterpoints or thoughts on their criticisms a waste of time cause the OP never intended to take a conversation seriously to begin with.

If the OP wants to have a serious conversation, show that theyre a serious player. They dont have to be a savage tier raider or anything. Just make the post with at least a level 80 that has seen the end game content theyre referencing so we can atleast see that theyve actually done what theyre criticizing. Otherwise, why bother posting on an alt? What would be the motive behind that?

My position is if you don't like the thread/content, ignore it and move on. All you people that feel inclined to respond with comments like 'I don't care, your opinion is irrelevant', 'lol troll look at their character level' etc. do is just help keep the thread alive, or show you can't respond to criticism rationally but only emotionally. Then you wonder why the OF ends up getting troll posts (that you also end up replying to, giving the person the reaction they were looking for)

So it is literally "Shut up unless youre gonna address the points." I mean you can phrase it nicely by saying "Ignore and move on" but it still boils down to "Dont say anything unless you plan on discussing the issue." Which completely ignores my point: Why is anyone taking what the OP is saying seriously given the nature of the OP's posting character? Should people really be humoring someone who supposedly wants to hve a serious discussion about the game but wont make the post with atleast a level 80 that demonstrates theyve participated in some extent to the content theyre criticizing?

This isnt even an emotional response, its a rational one. It wasnt "Lol Noob Git Gud You dont know n-e-thing." It was poitning out that the OP purposefully made the post with a lvl 25 alt with very little going on. This raises questions about the motives of the OP and how serious they are about having the conversation. And me pushing back is because I believe humoring either players who have invested very little in the game making criticisms by regurgitating talking points theyve read without the basic experience of going through it, or the fact we have troll posters who resurrect dead threads or copy/paste crap from years ago and have no interest in a real conversation will just lead to more toxicity long term. Keep in mind Im spending more time replying to you than the OP, and I didnt reply to the OP till page 8 or 10

[Penthea]

I've noticed that if anyone says anything bad about this game or if they say they are getting bored , the people in the comments really do just be like" lol, leave".

To be fair sometimes when people criticise the game it's painfully clear that they don't want improvements in just some areas. They want so many changes that it would end up being a totally different game. If the game is enjoyed by the majority of the player population then I think it's completely fair to tell the OP that they should play something else. Especially if that something else they want already exists in a different game.

In OP's case it seems they appear to want XIV to be XI-2. They need to realise that while this game was initially intended to be a successor to XI, that design philosophy was left behind in 1.0 which was a very long time ago by now. They need to face the fact that for most of XIV's existence it has not been intended to be the next step from XI, and it won't ever be going down that path again save for specific features like Eureka, which are side content and not the core of the game.

Regardless of whether OP likes the game or not XIV's current design philosophy is successful. It's not perfect, but is any game? I feel like if they want to play XI then they should go play XI instead of complaining that a completely different game isn't XI.

During the time when I played both WoW and XIV I found myself far preferring XIV, and while I would have loved to see the things about XIV I love come to WoW I had the presence of mind to realise that these games target different audiences. I didn't make a post about how WoW should adpot some things SE do. I just left the game behind and played XIV full time instead. OP needs to understand that XI and XIV target different audiences.

I think OP's time would be better spent discussing with XI players how a XI-2 game would be and what they would want it to be, instead of coming here complaining that XIV isn't XI.

[Jirah]

To be fair sometimes when people criticise the game it's painfully clear that they don't want improvements in just some areas. They want so many changes that it would end up being a totally different game. If the game is enjoyed by the majority of the player population then I think it's completely fair to tell the OP that they should play something else. Especially if that something else they want already exists in a different game.

In OP's case it seems they appear to want XIV to be XI-2. They need to realise that while this game was initially intended to be a successor to XI, that design philosophy was left behind in 1.0 which was a very long time ago by now. They need to face the fact that for most of XIV's existence it has not been intended to be the next step from XI, and it won't ever be going down that path again save for specific features like Eureka, which are side content and not the core of the game.

Regardless of whether OP likes the game or not XIV's current design philosophy is successful. It's not perfect, but is any game? I feel like if they want to play XI then they should go play XI instead of complaining that a completely different game isn't XI.

During the time when I played both WoW and XIV I found myself far preferring XIV, and while I would have loved to see the things about XIV I love come to WoW I had the presence of mind to realise that these games target different audiences. I didn't make a post about how WoW should adpot some things SE do. I just left the game behind and played XIV full time instead. OP needs to understand that XI and XIV target different audiences.

I think OP's time would be better spent discussing with XI players how a XI-2 game would be and what they would want it to be, instead of coming here complaining that XIV isn't XI.

well said

you dont eat pizza wishing it was steak. Improving Pizza is easier than trying to figure out what gross shinanagins you can muster to please both steak lovers and pizza lovers when its easier to make pizza better as it is and always will be

[Jirah]

I've noticed that if anyone says anything bad about this game or if they say they are getting bored , the people in the comments really do just be like" lol, leave"..

every forum is like this, people hate critique and will go the extra mile to defend whichever harebrained argument transpires. The good ol' bait.

but ff14 difficulty is one of my bigger complaints, as its a huge gross trend to dum everything down becuase dum people have alot of money theyd like to have, so I have no issue with the topic. This isnt a kids game guys we pay a fee every month to be bored to death by difficulty found in a pokemon game.

[Gameovers]

every forum is like this, people hate critique and will go the extra mile to defend whichever harebrained argument transpires. The good ol' bait.

but ff14 difficulty is one of my bigger complaints, as its a huge gross trend to dum everything down becuase dum people have alot of money theyd like to have, so I have no issue with the topic. This isnt a kids game guys we pay a fee every month to be bored to death by difficulty found in a pokemon game.

I think it's abit deeper than that. Yeah there are people who blindly defend anything but I don't think that is what is happening here now. With the way they had their post it really does look like they just want FF11 part 2. And in that case they would be better off going back to said game. It's one thing to want improvements, it's another thing entirely to want to turn this into another game completely. That's like me coming in and saying I hate the hotkey combat and want a more Tera like system. And come up with a million points to state my point. That doesn't make what I have to say good. That's what OP is doing.

[MsMisato]

different kind of mmos. In fact since you seem to have forgotten, ff14 1.0 had the ff11 style and it was one of the major factors that it flopped, it was only after that, that they took inspiration from Wow that 2.0 came to fruition.
Also i read most of it, the only thing that stack to me was how you compare it to ff1 and ff13. especially saying ff14 is also linear and ff13 side questing was more rewarding.
So ill say again what i said, youre comparing apples to oranges and finding the later inferior.

Not really. It was you could play for a certain amount of time before you got severely diminished returns in xp. No seriously you got fatigue and eventually you couldn't gain xp. Its like why and it took them.forever to remove it.

Also the latency server side was absolutely horrendous on top of the high pc requirements to actually run the game set the game towards a failed MMO.

That's the major reasons it failed in the first place.

[Erza_Scarlets]

75 era of ffxi was probably the worst. Dunno what kind crack people smoking saying it was the best. I played through all the eras of ffxi and still play it and 75 was no where near the best era of ffxi. It started to improve after the 75 era and got better.

One thing that I would say ffxi still has and probably will have over every mmo is the gear system. You actually had gearsets for different things. Not just get highest ilv and your set. Gear actually has value in ffxi cause each piece has its own use. Gear also has its own unique stats to buff different abilities, spells, ws's, etc.

FFxiv's main selling point is the theme park and glamour. It takes a lot less time to do things in it so lot more people are drawn to it. Which in this day and age is great. Could it use improvements? Yes. All games could always use improvements. Overall it has gotten much better over time.

1.0 also was nothing like ffxi. It failed for a whole lot of reasons and being like ffxi wasn't one of them. They basically took what they learned from mmos the first time around and didn't use it and used the worst things they could in 1.0.

I'm glad they were smart and made ffxiv what it is now from what 1.0 was. It could use a bit more of a job spread that is true to the ff brand. Brd being mixed with Rng was crappy. They should of been two separate jobs.