General Community Resistant to Healer Damage?

[Halivel]

If a healer is truly capable of letting you drop to 150 HP before they heal you, and can do so consistently without letting you die, then they're an amazing healer. A healers job is to keep you alive, keyword: alive. As long as you don't hit 0 due to unavoidable damage, they did the healing part of their job well enough.

Fair, but the main issue is that a lot of healers actually can't keep this or it works 50/50 thanks to factors different than just their skill (like mob hitting a bit earlier than they expected or latency issues). Also if the healer heals me only when my HP is extremely low to the point of raising the question "will I stay alive or not" - I won't accept the whining about Superbolide procking 0.5 second earlier than Benediction/another hard healing skill. Keeping tank alive isn't equal to "give them heart attack on every single pull", especially when we talk about things like roulettes done with random people whose skill in playing I don't know just as they don't know mine. I can completely ignore my HP when I'm with the healer I know because I trust them, but when you're with randoms - trust is a luxury.

[SamRF]

Fair, but the main issue is that a lot of healers actually can't keep this or it works 50/50 thanks to factors different than just their skill (like mob hitting a bit earlier than they expected or latency issues). Also if the healer heals me only when my HP is extremely low to the point of raising the question "will I stay alive or not" - I won't accept the whining about Superbolide procking 0.5 second earlier than Benediction/another hard healing skill. Keeping tank alive isn't equal to "give them heart attack on every single pull", especially when we talk about things like roulettes done with random people whose skill in playing I don't know just as they don't know mine. I can completely ignore my HP when I'm with the healer I know because I trust them, but when you're with randoms - trust is a luxury.

Imo it's only fair to completely trust the healer until they have proven to be untrustworthy by letting you die. 1 death isn't that big of an issue and I'd rather give the healer a chance to have their fun and showcase their skill to fullest extend (in context).

[EaMett]

Imo it's only fair to completely trust the healer until they have proven to be untrustworthy by letting you die. 1 death isn't that big of an issue and I'd rather give the healer a chance to have their fun and showcase their skill to fullest extend (in context).

This. I was about to ask if I was the only one who essentially didn't concern myself too much with my health when tanking, until I die that is.

[Halivel]

Imo it's only fair to completely trust the healer until they have proven to be untrustworthy by letting you die. 1 death isn't that big of an issue and I'd rather give the healer a chance to have their fun and showcase their skill to fullest extend (in context).

Sorry, but in 13 years of playing MMO games I was proven too many times that trusting random people from the start is a bad idea. I won't care if my HP is like 20-30% out of max most of the time, but if I see that it is dangerously near to K.O., I'm not going to sit there thinking "oh maybe he'll heal me now, just a second later" when 8 out of 10 cases lead to the exactly opposite result if I don't use invulnerability skill.

Mind me, situations like this don't happen often to begin with, but when they do - in about 80% of cases the only outcome I see is that blindly trusting random people by default was a mistake. Soooooo nope, thanks, I learned the lesson from... countless mistakes I repeated because I had hope.

I don't mind wipes in general because when I enter the dungeon I'm ready to spend entire 90 minutes there, but I still stay on my opinion regardeless: if healer values dps higher than his party health, he's not suitable for being a healer. That's it. Outside of this, wiping won't make me mad or something, it just will prove that I wasn't wrong in not trusting to a pug (or that I overstimated my own capabilities in some cases as well). And I prefer being proven people were worth the trust and I was tensed for nothing, not the opposite. That said, I prefer being ready for the worst and then being surprised in a good way rather than going in a blind believe that everyone will give their all to be only dissapointed later.

[Saefinn]

Imo it's only fair to completely trust the healer until they have proven to be untrustworthy by letting you die. 1 death isn't that big of an issue and I'd rather give the healer a chance to have their fun and showcase their skill to fullest extend (in context).

Usually when I tank and Isee my health dropping low I'll watch what the healer is doing, if it looks like they know what they're doing, I don't worry and I just carry on without doing anything different. If it looks like they are struggling then I maay adjust my tanking. I might also observe their gear, because if they look like a high end raider, that give me an indicator that they're more likely in control and if the gear is low, I'll know I'm dealing with a lower geared healer. I also do the same with the tank when I'm healing them, because it might help indicate what I'm also able to get away with too.


But yeah, until the healer actually runs into trouble, I'd trust them. And 1 or 2 deaths or wipes is not a big deal.

[SamRF]

Usually when I tank and Isee my health dropping low I'll watch what the healer is doing, if it looks like they know what they're doing, I don't worry and I just carry on without doing anything different. If it looks like they are struggling then I maay adjust my tanking. I might also observe their gear, because if they look like a high end raider, that give me an indicator that they're more likely in control and if the gear is low, I'll know I'm dealing with a lower geared healer. I also do the same with the tank when I'm healing them, because it might help indicate what I'm also able to get away with too.


But yeah, until the healer actually runs into trouble, I'd trust them. And 1 or 2 deaths or wipes is not a big deal.

Yeah how I see it there's a difference between a healer letting your HP edge while spamming their GCD heal and one spamming their DPS. When it's DPS I'm assuming they know what they're doing and trust them while otherwise I might adjust, indeed going to depend on how the healer performs. Had very few encounters where healer just spammed dps while letting me die.

That's when I'm playing tanks other than WAR at least, being a WAR (at max lvl) you usually don't even need a healer so I'm not really worried regardless lol.

[Halivel]

Yeah how I see it there's a difference between a healer letting your HP edge while spamming their GCD heal and one spamming their DPS. When it's DPS I'm assuming they know what they're doing and trust them while otherwise I might adjust, indeed going to depend on how the healer performs. Had very few encounters where healer just spammed dps while letting me die.

That's when I'm playing tanks other than WAR at least, being a WAR (at max lvl) you usually don't even need a healer so I'm not really worried regardless lol.

There sure is a difference. If healer struggles to keep up while actually healing, it's either the problem in me as a tank or in them as a healer (not geared well, used defencive CDs in a bad way, used healing kit weirdly, etc). I personally wasn't talking about this case because it works differently. I was speaking about "hey I'm a dps!" healers. While most of the time runs are completely fine as it is, there also were plenty of examples when healer just forgot that he's a healer and despite me using every possible way to survy I still died, and it happened again and again to the point where you start wonder if you deal with a bot. This type of players should just switch to dps, which was my main point, but it's quite possible that I didn't word it properly.