Can we please delay Savage?

[xxvaynxx]

Why respond as an "against this change" when it's almost entirely been met with vitriol? What this boils down to is "my gameplay experience is worth more then yours, so screw yours" on both sides.

The change won't occur because Square hasn't changed the formula in 6+ years, so the entire thread is pointless. But that's why you're not getting more "against" posters.

Well actually, yoshi said they were debating about delaying savage a week but went with week one release in the Live letter.

So Yoshi knows how raiders prefer if its delayed.
If I'm honest. I really don't know why some people are against the delay.

It honestly helps everybody, it gives everybody a chance to prepare, hell it would even make pf pugging more smooth because people have crafted gear instead of coming in with 260 gear trying to get carried.

[ForteNightshade]

Content being purposely and arbitrarily delayed results in having to wait longer to experience new content. Isn't the source of disappointment obvious? Have you not ever had some game, movie, TV show, or whatever delayed and experienced disappointment because you were anticipating it?

Experiencing new content is not all about getting the clear. For many people having a new raid simply represents having something new to do in the game, even if they aren't winning it right away.

I imagine you share this opinion with Heaven on High, Eureka, Blue Mage and the plethora of other content that was already readily available but intentionally staggered because, and I quote, "We felt there was too much content and didn't want people to feel overwhelmed."

And those players still get to experience all that content whereas players aiming for week 1 Savage don't. A week delay of Savage does not prevent you from enjoying the remaining content.

Hardcores that want more time to clear MSQ/normal/whatever do not speak for all hardcores, even if that's what they're trying to do by pushing their desires in front of everyone else who (reasonably) wants to see new content when it is actually ready to be released.

You also do not speak for the hardcore raid community. Therefore, it's disingenuous to claim delaying Savage would be a punishment. You can't know that any more than I can. Hence why I offered a suggestion I think would be beneficial. Given the reception, I think it's clear many share that opinion.

Yes, it was. Datamining was used to find all the debuffs in the raid, and one in particular was a key piece in figuring out how to get past true heart.

You do realize this makes no sense given only one group out of the thirty or so racing managed to figure out what the Heart debuff even did. And TPS showed video evidence they stumbled on it by complete accident and simply guessed. If datamines was key to figuring out the mechanic, why did a streaming group with no access to said datamines beat all the World racers except TPS?

The content is already quite shallow, all the delay will do is make it even more shallow.

By this logic, Ultimate should be extremely shallow that not even hardcore groups care about given it has a two week delay following the initial patch release despite there being no cut scenes or gear to halt progression. The mere idea delaying Savage by a week would cause people to lose interest is so laughably extreme, it borders on delusional.

Why respond as an "against this change" when it's almost entirely been met with vitriol? What this boils down to is "my gameplay experience is worth more then yours, so screw yours" on both sides.

The change won't occur because Square hasn't changed the formula in 6+ years, so the entire thread is pointless. But that's why you're not getting more "against" posters.

The current Coffer system would like to have a word with you about that.

[Penthea]

Hardcores that want more time to clear MSQ/normal/whatever do not speak for all hardcores, even if that's what they're trying to do by pushing their desires in front of everyone else who (reasonably) wants to see new content when it is actually ready to be released.

Anyone who can't wait one extra week is way too impatient. We already wait several months for content. Certainly competitive players who finish tiers early wait a super long time until new hardcore content comes to the game. If they can wait several months, then they can easily wait one more week. It's not that big a deal.

What is a big deal though is forcing your hardcore playerbase to get all their stuff together in one day, and anyone who dares to have life things like a job or an education are automatically at a disadvantage because they can't no-life a game for an entire day on a weekday.

Delaying savage by a week puts hardcore teams on more equal footing, while also allowing them to have time to enjoy the other patch content and prepare for hardcore content without needing to rush like crazy and skip things.

Most hardcore players enjoy many types of content. Why not let them do that in a way that doesn't interfere with their savage progress? Everyone benefits from this.

[Fynlar]

I imagine you share this opinion with Heaven on High, Eureka, Blue Mage and the plethora of other content that was already readily available but intentionally staggered because, and I quote, "We felt there was too much content and didn't want people to feel overwhelmed."

Well, yes. I wouldn't say being staggered was the biggest problem with most of the content you mentioned though, but that's a whole other topic.

And those players still get to experience all that content whereas players aiming for week 1 Savage don't.

Again, that's a "you" problem, not SE's problem.

A week delay of Savage does not prevent you from enjoying the remaining content.

Releasing Savage on time also doesn't prevent you from enjoying the remaining content either (again, that's a "you" problem), so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.

You also do not speak for the hardcore raid community. Therefore, it's disingenuous to claim delaying Savage would be a punishment. You can't know that any more than I can. Hence why I offered a suggestion I think would be beneficial. Given the reception, I think it's clear many share that opinion.

I know there's people who prefer content to come out "now" rather than "later", again assuming it is actually ready for release and not something rushed or half-baked (as in, I know several of these people personally; it's also a pretty common sentiment even outside of this game), so yes, I do know that better than you seem to.

The thing here is that the way this raid came out doesn't jive with you or your group's approach to new raids, but instead of you solving your own problem and either adjusting your approach or finding a more compatible raid group that would let you take the time to progress through story/normal/whatever at the pace you would like, you're instead proposing that everyone else should have to wait an extra week along with you (even if, unlike you, they are perfectly ready and willing to tackle the new raid now) just so that you get to go at the pace you would like, while still also getting to go after that week 1 clear, or world first clear, or whatever it is that makes you feel more proud about yourself. You're attempting to impose your playstyle and approach to raids upon everyone else. That's what I find extremely problematic here.

[SaberMaxwell]

Why respond as an "against this change" when it's almost entirely been met with vitriol? What this boils down to is "my gameplay experience is worth more then yours, so screw yours" on both sides.

The change won't occur because Square hasn't changed the formula in 6+ years, so the entire thread is pointless. But that's why you're not getting more "against" posters.

"Don't bother to request or suggest changes, it's been this way for 6+ years, just deal with it."

[Sebazy]

Again, that's a "you" problem, not SE's problem.

Serious question time, do you have a static? Are they all in the same timezone? Are you fortunate enough to raid with 7 other individuals that are all of the same mentality, same work hours and days? Is this the aspect of things that is being missed here? I'm genuinely curious here.

For reference, my group typically runs in a 3-4 hour timezone gap depending on daylight savings and we get the occasional NA player in just to really spice things up. So no, saying that it's a "Me" problem is false in my case, I don't solo savage and I'm simply not willing to have my team sit there twiddling their thumbs and waiting on me whilst I watch a cutscene because I got home late, that's just too inconsiderate for my tastes. And no, telling me to change my static isn't the answer either, I've rolled with the same core team for going on 4 years now. I'm not even asking for a week personally. I'm of the opinion that simply delaying the unlock by one day would be a big QOL boon for raiders who want to enjoy the story or have tighter raid windows without stepping on the toes too much of those who aren't interested.

I know there's people who prefer content to come out "now" rather than "later", again assuming it is actually ready for release and not something rushed or half-baked (as in, I know several of these people personally; it's also a pretty common sentiment even outside of this game), so yes, I do know that better than you seem to.

And yet this thread consists of a multitude of different people coming in, dropping their views and then getting hounded out with the same repetitive and usually aggressive response from maybe 4 people total.

You're attempting to impose your playstyle and approach to raids upon everyone else. That's what I find extremely problematic here.

That's a very subjective view and to be frank, I find it very problematic that this same sentence is being used over and over again to try and shut down a ton of interesting subjects and ideas on this forum. This is a discussion forum for raising and discussing topics and suggestions relating to the game. I fully appreciate that you might not like all of the topics but that does not give you the excuse to come in here and hurl the same brick over and over again at anyone that dares not align to your views. (Although I will give you a +1 for at least making more of an effort with some of your posts, so there is that <3 ).

[Barraind]

At this point there are only two people here against this change and I'm convinced they are trolls

I've been against time-gating of ready content in MMO's for the last 15 or 20 years. I have world firsts in raiding in multiple MMO's in nearly double digit numbers of expansions.

If saying you should be able to dedicate yourself to doing the content when its ready and not when you feel like you want to get around to it, if you want to compete in that race, is trolling, I guess I'm a big ol troll, but I'm more thinking you're just bad at using words.

[SinisterJoints]

At this point there are only two people here against this change and I'm convinced they are trolls given the lack of constructive, well... Anything

Wow, so because I have a differing opinion I am a troll? And you wonder why my comments have vitrol in them. Just because you are too daft to accept anything I have said does not make it any less constructive. You are refusing to accept and thats not my problem.

Regardless, you wont see me post here again because I've said enough. Go ahead and keep feeling rushed, while I sit back and enjoy my content.

[xxvaynxx]

while I sit back and enjoy my content.

Thanks, we will too once savage is delayed in 5.4 and "everybody" can enjoy the MSQ story and eden story!

Crafters don't have rush to make gear for their static, raiders can do the ex primal and so on.

[Awha]

So much backlash, would oen day delay still upset people?