Can we please delay Savage?

[SinisterJoints]

In theory, sure.

In practice, you get stuff like:

Shadows of Luclin having multiple key grinds to unlock other key grinds because VT wasnt actually ready to be released, but they couldnt say that.

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God to have MMO's like EQ was again... A man can dream. VT easily one of my favorite raid zones.

[Sora_Oathkeeper]

+1 to the staggered release from me.

It's unbelievable how many people are opposing a one week delay on savage with very little legitimate reasoning other than "I don't want it delayed, not my fault you guys skip story". The point is that week 1 raiders/clearers don't have to feel pressured into skipping cutscenes/story so that they don't lose out on time progressing through savage.

Currently any week 1 raider is more or less required or encouraged to skip the Eden story otherwise they may miss out on that week 1 kill. As for why they want to kill week 1 is no one elses business, maybe they find it fun, maybe they get a sense of achievement, maybe they just want to down the tier as fast as possible. Shouldn't we be encouraging the change so that everyone can enjoy the story? And so that crafters and gatherers have time to aid the week 1 teams and have to put the entire patch on hold for the 1st couple days while they do nothing but craft instead of enjoy the patch?

Why are people against this. It's nothing but a good thing. We all wait 2 weeks after normal mode releases at expac launch so that we can enjoy the story. So why the sudden opposition for the 2nd and 3rd tier. Some people are just playing devil's advocate here while offering very little valid reasons to not delay other than "just because".

Hope this gets implemented so that everyone can enjoy the story together.

[SinisterJoints]

+1 to the staggered release from me.

It's unbelievable how many people are opposing a one week delay on savage with very little legitimate reasoning other than "I don't want it delayed, not my fault you guys skip story". The point is that week 1 raiders/clearers don't have to feel pressured into skipping cutscenes/story so that they don't lose out on time progressing through savage.

Currently any week 1 raider is more or less required or encouraged to skip the Eden story otherwise they may miss out on that week 1 kill.

This can't be further from the truth. You don't have to skip a single normal mode cutscene and can get to progging savage day 1 without skipping. without feeling rushed. The fact is, its a choice you are making and SE, others and I shouldn't be hard pressed to cater a change for that.

That's not how this works.

The content is already quite shallow, all the delay will do is make it even more shallow.

[Fynlar]

It's unbelievable how many people are opposing a one week delay on savage with very little legitimate reasoning other than "I don't want it delayed, not my fault you guys skip story". The point is that week 1 raiders/clearers don't have to feel pressured into skipping cutscenes/story so that they don't lose out on time progressing through savage.

We're aware what the point is, thanks. Our point is that the rest of us shouldn't be punished with slower releases on release-ready content just because your raid group is impatient and pressures its members through story/normal content. That's taking a "you" problem and making it into an "everyone" problem.

[Sora_Oathkeeper]

This can't be further from the truth. You don't have to skip a single normal mode cutscene and can get to progging savage day 1 without skipping. without feeling rushed. The fact is, its a choice you are making and SE, others and I shouldn't be hard pressed to cater a change for that.

That's not how this works.

The content is already quite shallow, all the delay will do is make it even more shallow.

A) No where in my post did I mention that watching the story results in week 1 raiders being unable to raid savage on day 1. However taking the 2-3 hours to watch the cutscenes and do the fights could easily rob a team of a week 1 clear. Read again properly next time.

B) I'm not a week 1 Clearer so directing you comment to me personally is jumping to conclusions. But I can empathise with said raiders.

C) Please elaborate on why the content is shallow and that a 1 week delay would further shallow it?

Speak for yourself only, you do not represent SE, nor do I. But how is this a bad thing exactly? If you are worried that a week's worth of tomes would be an issue then surely SE could stick to the same concept upon expac launch? Weekly tomes and savage come together.

That's taking a "you" problem and making it into an "everyone" problem.

Again, i'm not a week 1 clearer. I enjoy watching the story, doesn't mean I can't empathise with those who do feel more encouraged to skip due to the way the content is released.

Further, you realise they stagger a LOT of content right and purposely hold it back for the sake of keeping the patch alive for longer. The relic quests we get are almost always staggered so that there isn't "too much content to do" at once. Usually anything that comes in a patch X.x1 or X.x5 patch is ready when the main patches drop. BLU level 60 was ready back in SB but they purposely said they wanted to stagger releases on that for no other reason other than they didn't want the level catching up to current expansions max level so your arguement is flawed on a few occasions.

Regardless, if that's your stance then there's no sense arguing as we will always disagree on this matter. You are against change and fairness for all because it doesn't fit your standard even though there is nothing inherently detrimental to the change and wouldn't affect anyone anymore than the 2 week wait from normal mode to savage mode does.

[Barraind]

God to have MMO's like EQ was again... A man can dream. VT easily one of my favorite raid zones.

I'd like to decorate my 14 house like my EQ houses are decorated.

[SinisterJoints]

A) No where in my post did I mention that watching the story results in week 1 raiders being unable to raid savage on day 1. However taking the 2-3 hours to watch the cutscenes and do the fights could easily rob a team of a week 1 clear. Read again properly next time.

B) I'm not a week 1 Clearer so directing you comment to me personally is jumping to conclusions. But I can empathise with said raiders.

C) Please elaborate on why the content is shallow and that a 1 week delay would further shallow it?

Speak for yourself only, you do not represent SE, nor do I. But how is this a bad thing exactly? If you are worried that a week's worth of tomes would be an issue then surely SE could stick to the same concept upon expac launch? Weekly tomes and savage come together.



Again, i'm not a week 1 clearer. I enjoy watching the story, doesn't mean I can't empathise with those who do feel more encouraged to skip due to the way the content is released.

Further, you realise they stagger a LOT of content right and purposely hold it back for the sake of keeping the patch alive for longer. The relic quests we get are almost always staggered so that there isn't "too much content to do" at once. Usually anything that comes in a patch X.x1 or X.x5 patch is ready when the main patches drop. BLU level 60 was ready back in SB but they purposely said they wanted to stagger releases on that for no other reason other than they didn't want the level catching up to current expansions max level so your arguement is flawed on a few occasions.

Regardless, if that's your stance then there's no sense arguing as we will always disagree on this matter. You are against change and fairness for all because it doesn't fit your standard even though there is nothing inherently detrimental to the change and wouldn't affect anyone anymore than the 2 week wait from normal mode to savage mode does.

Did you just say 2-3 hours of cutscene watching will rob someone of a week 1 clear? First if you think normal eden cutscenes will take 2-3 hours to watch you are sorely mistaken (and thats what people are talking about, not MSQ) and 2nd, if 2-3 hours rob you of a week 1 clear then you aint trying for a week one clear.

I was responding to your post, you knew exactly who it included and are now just playing dumb

Fairness for all? Huh ? Let me change how content rolls out because of something somebody elses static is making them do. Yes, that is total fairness for all...

Why is the content shallow? Because it is, no other MMO out there has a more casual endgame then FFXIV, and was openly admitted by yoshi that its intended.

what's with this "speak for yourself" nonsense. You just said you arent a week one raider so none of this even applies to you right? Right? No, I am very ok with saying that nobody should have to cater to someone because of a choice they are making.. PERIOD

[Lambdafish]

At this point there are only two people here against this change and I'm convinced they are trolls given the lack of constructive, well... Anything

[Kraniel]

Wasn't the point of this post that players who want to enjoy the story also want their shot at a world first clear, and that it is not currently possible if they don't skip all the cutscenes and dialogs ?

If we're just talking about a week one clear, it's not the same thing. I don't think cutscenes would have any influence on you clearing savage the first week or not. For a world first clear however those extra minutes matter for sure.

So what about this : everything is released at the same time, but cutscenes are unskippable during the first week. This way, everyone starts equal and can compete for first world clear while enjoying the story.

I'm not even convinced by this idea myself, but yeah, just throwing that out there ...

[SDaemon]

The change won't occur because Square hasn't changed the formula in 6+ years, so the entire thread is pointless.

Wait what? I'm not really for or against SE delaying the release of Savage raids. I personally don't have a stake in the matter. However, simply because the situation has existed for the last 4 and a half years [not sure where you got 6+ from unless you're including Coils for some reason] doesn't mean SE won't ever change it or decide to change it if they get enough feedback to do so.