Can we please delay Savage?

[Valorak]

Thank you for utterly ignoring the part where I said I would be okay with not having a savage delay if SE bring in something that allows players to experience the story (with all cutscenes, out of cutscene dialogue and duties) as many times as they wish so that rushing on patch day to keep up with competition would not completely deprive them of experiencing the story as it is meant to be told.

We already have something similar in the game like this, it's called New Game +. If SE add in raid content to that, problem solved.

But no instead lets just go on about how I'm trying to dictate how others should play and ignore that I have proposed something that keeps both parties happy.

Here it is again in case you genuinely missed it:

Uh...sorry? You spent half of your post reiterating that people can just "wait another week" and that people's "impatience" doesn't matter as much as accommodating the people that are requesting the delay, so I felt that's what needed to be addressed the most. Aside from that, you've skipped over a couple of my points throughout our discussion, so I didn't think you'd mind if I jumped over a silver-bullet solution that doesn't require much discussion.

But yes, if they decided to include an even more comprehensive version of New Game+ then that'd be great. That doesn't seem very likely in the middle of an expansion since it'd take up a lot of developer time, but I think that's a good option for the future.

EDIT:

Well then the solution is clear. Add current raid content to it. Those who rush can go back and redo it if they wish, and those who don't want to wait an extra week for savage won't have to worry about story reasons making them wait.

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Oh I see that they already add raid stuff to it. I've been waiting for them to add the OG story before I looked at it, so I'm admittedly unfamiliar with what stories it lets you replay atm. Yeah if they could add current storylines straight away, then that seems like it would work.

[xbahax92]

I do wonder why it's so difficult to slow down with content by yourselves.

If you want to enjoy the story, just delay your raid by a week?
If you got to work and dont have spare time, just take your time?
I dont see why the dev team has to limit content. Nor why other players have to suffer cause of your own inability to manage your free time.
Nobody is forcing you to raid week 1. It's your own decision.

[Ravenguard]

After reading a lot of posts in this thread, the Pros and Cons of delaying the Savage Raid a week after patch boils down to:


Pro: It allows players to experience the normal mode raid story and trial without rushing or skipping.
Pro: It allows players time to craft the new set of gear ahead of release. FC's without a designated group of crafters supporting a raid group are able to acquire gear and be raid ready in time for Savage release.
Pro: It allows more raiders to attempt World first, and even Week 1 and Week 2 clears, with everyone on the same even playing field.
Pro: It allows for an advanced notice for groups with members wishing to take time off to focus on raiding new tiers.

Con: It takes away the CHOICE from players who want to skip everything and start a savage raid on day 1 of a new patch.


To me, this Pros far outweigh the Cons and make everyone's life a lot less stressful and hectic around new raid patches.


On a side note, it seems like a fair amount of players against a Week-delay of Savage Raid are not the same players who push for World First, or even those who buckle down for Week 1 or 2 clears.

[Penthea]

Uh...sorry? You spent half of your post reiterating that people can just "wait another week" and that people's "impatience" doesn't matter as much as accommodating the people that are requesting the delay, so I felt that's what needed to be addressed the most. Aside from that, you've skipped over a couple of my points throughout our discussion, so I didn't think you'd mind if I jumped over a silver-bullet solution that doesn't require much discussion.

I thought the point you skipped mattered because it doesn't mean I "get to dictate how other people play" and it also provides a solution to those who hate skipping story in order to stay competitive. It just looked like you were more interested in telling me off for something rather than actually discuss a solution for the situation that brought on this thread.

But yes, if they decided to include an even more comprehensive version of New Game+ then that'd be great.

Oh I see that they already add raid stuff to it. I've been waiting for them to add the OG story before I looked at it, so I'm admittedly unfamiliar with what stories it lets you replay atm. Yeah if they could add current storylines straight away, then that seems like it would work.

I haven't looked at New Game+ myself for the same reason, so I was also unaware that raid content was added. I was under the impression it only let you repeat msq quests.

Well disagreements aside over how we make our points, I'm glad that you agree that New Game+ offers a solution that can keep both parties happy. I really think this would be the best way to tackle the situation without shaking up much of anything for the players.

Now we but need to hope SE are reading this thread and agree with doing something like this.

/crosses fingers

[Colt47]

No kidding they need to delay savage. This is the equivalent of having a GP on the week of a set release in a TCG before anyone has even had a chance to open the latest set. I think full 475 could jump right into savage, but even then with crafted gear being at 480 there is a lot of incentive to grind the crafts first and get that extra bit of boost.

[ChocoFeru]

It would be cool to delay it 1 week so people have enough time to clear the story and do all the prep-work.
Right now some people have to skip the story in order to make it in time to raid with their fellows, and that unnecessary stress sucks. I usually don't work on patch days, but other friends can't do that and I feel bad about them rushing all the content. I know we could just not raid that day, but sometimes MSQ takes more than 1 day depending on the person.

Also it would be more fun/challenging for World 1st clearers because even a small group would have a chance to be the 1st.

[Akiudo]

while i can say i wouldn't really mind them delaying savage for a week after patch or so so people don't feel forced to rush through content i really have to question how people think this would make for a more open world first race, sorry to burst your bubble but if you aren't part of a team that has their own set of dedicated crafters handing you the gear in the time after you rushed through the first turn you won't go for world first, doesn't matter if they delay savage for a week or 2. You either are people that can all take time off and than basically play 24/7 or you aren't, if you are than congratz, getting your crafted gear will be the least of your problems going for world first, otherwise tough luck.

[Spiroglyph]

while i can say i wouldn't really mind them delaying savage for a week after patch or so so people don't feel forced to rush through content i really have to question how people think this would make for a more open world first race, sorry to burst your bubble but if you aren't part of a team that has their own set of dedicated crafters handing you the gear in the time after you rushed through the first turn you won't go for world first, doesn't matter if they delay savage for a week or 2. You either are people that can all take time off and than basically play 24/7 or you aren't, if you are than congratz, getting your crafted gear will be the least of your problems going for world first, otherwise tough luck.

I don't think this is anyone's problem here, because as you said a one week delay is unlikely to see a huge increase in players suddenly running for world race - but that's not what's being discussed.
People here are asking for a one week delay in order to fully enjoy both MSQ, raid story, crafting, gathering and everything else that normally comes with even patches without having to rush through any of them in order to get to something else that we also really enjoy and want to be a part of as soon as we can, which is savage.

Staggering contente is something this game already does, looking at this patch we're getting relics (both battle and gathering/crafting ones), and more Ishgard restoration content. Delaying savage one week would only be another instance of this situation, and would allow everyone to have some time to leisurely enjoy story and still going ham on savage upon its release, and thus having a shot at getting some kills week 1.

[Akiudo]

I don't think this is anyone's problem here, because as you said a one week delay is unlikely to see a huge increase in players suddenly running for world race - but that's not what's being discussed.
People here are asking for a one week delay in order to fully enjoy both MSQ, raid story, crafting, gathering and everything else that normally comes with even patches without having to rush through any of them in order to get to something else that we also really enjoy and want to be a part of as soon as we can, which is savage.

Staggering contente is something this game already does, looking at this patch we're getting relics (both battle and gathering/crafting ones), and more Ishgard restoration content. Delaying savage one week would only be another instance of this situation, and would allow everyone to have some time to leisurely enjoy story and still going ham on savage upon its release, and thus having a shot at getting some kills week 1.

well considering 2 people on this page alone listed "more fun world 1st/allowing more players/smaller groups for world first"..... i'm with you in that i wouldn't mind a small delay, i'm not really bothered by the way it currently is, but i can see why people would feel a need to rush through the story and get crafting up to snuff right away and all, and how this puts unnecessary stress on some and also dampens enjoyment, but like i said, this page alone 2 people listed some form of "would make the world first race more accessible" which well, i really, and i mean REALLY don't see that happening with a 1-2 week delay

[Spiroglyph]

I kind of see their point, as right now to be in world first race you pretty much needed a dedicated team of crafters and gatherers to get you crafted gear (necessary because Iconoclasm is i480, if I remembre correctly), and smaller groups without these means can't really hope to compete, whereas if they had had a week to craft their own gear or buy it, it'd be different, I suppose.

I'm not sure how many more people would effectively be able to take part in this race were this to take place, but I can't imagine it'd be a drastic increase, so I agree with you there