Can we please delay Savage?

[ErryK]

The mere fact this topic was made seems to indicate they don't care as much as you seem to think they do.

Please don't speak for Square Enix on their behalf, thanks.

[Fynlar]

Time-gating content in MMO's has always been nonsense. If you have it ready for release, release it.

This.

Stop expecting SE to delay their content just because your own raid groups are impatient to clear. Either you deal with it, or find another raid group willing to go at a pace you'd prefer. Don't punish everyone else just because you'd rather take it slower.

Please don't speak for Square Enix on their behalf, thanks.

The post I was responding to was doing the exact same thing, so uhh... go bother them instead, thanks.

[ErryK]

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But I asked you so... yeah.

[ForteNightshade]

maybe not the first tier of savage , but datamining was used for TEA to figure out a mechanic.

no, you don't have to rush. You choose too. at least be honest about it

No, it was not. This is a common misconception. Datamining found models but not actual mechanics and debuff names. Sure, they knew of the Heart or Nisi but not how any of it worked. If they did, then groups wouldn't have been completely walled by Inception. In fact, MOOF obtained World 2nd despite streaming and running hardcore hours instead of World race hours for specifically that reason.

You're right. I, however, cannot choose to ignore Normal mode entirely. Regardless, why does it matter to you if I or anyone finds it fun to rush? If you're satisfied downing Savage whenever, cool. I like the adrenaline rush of fast kills even if I'm not world racing. What I don't like is having the content I enjoy gated when the first tier and both Ultimates do not have such restrictions.

The mere fact this topic was made seems to indicate they don't care as much as you seem to think they do.

Actually, Yoshida was asked by Layla Bell about this very thing. They only opted not to delay Savage because they thought it would upset World racers. They even considered delaying this very tier but opted not to for whatever reason.

So that suggests they do care but may want additional feedback. Hence why I made the thread. If enough people want a change, Yoshida is usually open to at least listening.

Stop expecting SE to delay their content just because your own raid groups are impatient to clear. Either you deal with it, or find another raid group willing to go at a pace you'd prefer. Don't punish everyone else just because you'd rather take it slower.

This keeps being brought up, thus please explain how anyone is punished were Savage delayed by a week or even a couple days. Such a delay only impacts hardcore or World racing groups as anyone else will not be clearing quickly enough for it to matter. Considering those players are the ones asking for this delay, how exactly are they being punished?

[Fynlar]

But I asked you so... yeah. 8)

If you're not going to be impartial, I can only assume you don't have a serious argument. I guess we're done here.

This keeps being brought up, thus please explain how anyone is punished were Savage delayed by a week or even a couple days. Such a delay only impacts hardcore or World racing groups as anyone else will not be clearing quickly enough for it to matter.

Content being purposely and arbitrarily delayed results in having to wait longer to experience new content. Isn't the source of disappointment obvious? Have you not ever had some game, movie, TV show, or whatever delayed and experienced disappointment because you were anticipating it?

Experiencing new content is not all about getting the clear. For many people having a new raid simply represents having something new to do in the game, even if they aren't winning it right away.

Considering those players are the ones asking for this delay, how exactly are they being punished?

Hardcores that want more time to clear MSQ/normal/whatever do not speak for all hardcores, even if that's what they're trying to do by pushing their desires in front of everyone else who (reasonably) wants to see new content when it is actually ready to be released.

[Vahlnir]

There is no required MSQ between the first and third raid tiers. There is no "I have to have level appropriate gear" grind between the first and third raid tiers.

The first tier is already nonsensically staggered since normal doesnt release with the expansion launch anyway. If anything, it should have its pointless gating removed and savage should launch day 1 of the raids.

Time-gating content in MMO's has always been nonsense. If you have it ready for release, release it.

Time gating is useful in the right places at the right times. As to the delay or lack of a delay to Savage? Eh, I'm of the opinion that it doesn't matter either way. But if it is indeed ready then yeah, they mightaswell just release the thing.

[Lambdafish]

you are right its none of my business, until you come in here asking for a change to "suit your business", and it IS the issue being contended with. people saying they have to skip normal mode cutscenes to get to savage for their static.


its not my static, you figure it out without effecting me. Thanks!!

You keep asking why people want to rush, why is it any of your business what other people enjoy doing in this game? People find competition fun. Besides, you never answered the critical question from my last comment, what do you lose from this change?

I'm just gonna keep asking until you answer it.

[SinisterJoints]

I'm just gonna keep asking until you answer it.

I have literally answered it several times over, just because you refuse to accept my answer does not make it cease to exist. Go back and read.

[SinisterJoints]

No, it was not.

Yes, it was. Datamining was used to find all the debuffs in the raid, and one in particular was a key piece in figuring out how to get past true heart.

[Barraind]

Time gating is useful in the right places at the right times

In theory, sure.

In practice, you get stuff like:

Shadows of Luclin having multiple key grinds to unlock other key grinds because VT wasnt actually ready to be released, but they couldnt say that.

Raids in Wrath of the Lich King having multiple time gates despite every fight being ready because the devs were afraid they didnt tune things to be difficult enough and they didnt want an extra few weeks to months of each tier of gear floating around.

Hard/Savage/Extreme/whatever modes having weeks to months of time-gating because devs need it to last to the start of the next raid tier.


When my raid week is 75 minutes two days a week because you gated all the new stuff so I dont finish a legendary axe in 2 weeks, you need to just staaaahp.