Can we please delay Savage?

[Pepsi_Plunge]

I only mentioned loot because it ties in with the weekly resets. But feel free to read more into my post than what I actually said.

I honestly don't want to read more into anything, I'm still just trying to grasp why you struggle that hard for a week 1 kill to find the argument to even go for it in your posts. If it's not for the loot, then the only thing you may get from a week 1 kill - if I understand it correctly - is a little prestige. You don't get an archivement, an special item or anything at all for your week 1 kill. And even that prestige in this community is nothing really to write home about, as there are still people faster and it isn't a world first kill or anything on the podium. So in the end, you are only doing it for yourself, rushing through the content and skipping through the story, propably exhausting yourself after a hard day of work just for the heck of it. For me, that doesn't sound like fun, but whatever. Maybe you think it's worth it, I don't know and I don't know why, but so far as I see it that's still your own burdon you're loading on your shoulders and no real reason for any delay at all. You have literally months to clear the content until the next one arrives, you can take all the time in the world for it - you just choose not to.

Personally while I don't mind a delay, I just don't see your point that much. We talked about it in our static too, before deciding just to wait two days so everyone can enjoy the story and prepare. But then again, I'm in a casual static with only two raiding evenings a week because of different work-schedules, so we don't care about a fast clear anyway.

What of value, exactly, are you afraid will be lost if Savage is delayed a week after patch hits?

And why would you want to hold back on content that is already ready for release? That's literally the first time I've heard that a part of the community asked to not release more content as soon as possible. Usually it's the other way around: If it's ready then what are you waiting for? Release it already so people can enjoy it. Why should anyone need to wait just because you have set yourself some exceedingly difficult tasks like a week 1 kill?

[Zabuza]

And why would you want to hold back on content that is already ready for release? That's literally the first time I've heard that a part of the community asked to not release more content as soon as possible. Usually it's the other way around: If it's ready then what are you waiting for? Release it already so people can enjoy it. Why should anyone need to wait just because you have set yourself some exceedingly difficult tasks like a week 1 kill?

So that between story and raid I don't have to choose to sacrifice one of them. Why don't you ask the devs why they delay savage raid for 2 weeks if it's ready on expansion release?

Some terrible logic on this thread. Can't plan ahead with a month+ warning...but can some how do it with in a week

How are we supposed to plan it when the recipes to craft the current 480 gear don't come out until launch day? How are we supposed to plan it in advance when SE doesn't even give us the date patch will drop until it is too late to request off at our actual jobs? Mid-February is not a date, it's an approximation. I've noticed my questions still haven't been answered.

[Pepsi_Plunge]

So that between story and raid I don't have to choose to sacrifice one of them.

You don't have to. Noone is forcing you. If you still do it then it's because you WANT to (and I still don't even know why).

Why don't you ask the devs why they delay savage raid for 2 weeks if it's ready on expansion release?

Maybe it actually isn't ready by then and the devs are actually planning with those 2 weeks for designing the savage-content? I don't know.

[Zabuza]

You don't have to. Noone is forcing you. If you still do it then it's because you WANT to (and I still don't even know why).

I explained it in my first post a couple pages back. My only choice then is to do the story and fall behind the first wave raiders, or don't do the story for awhile. So in that sense, yes SE is forcing that choice. If I choose to play FFXIV as a raider who enjoys story those are my two choices.

[Sebazy]

You don't have to. Noone is forcing you. If you still do it then it's because you WANT to (and I still don't even know why).

The rest of our groups are forcing us.

The opposition to this suggestion is just mind boggling, especially since it seems to be coming from people who have zero interest in even taking part in the content in question until weeks, if not months down the line.

[Pepsi_Plunge]

The rest of our groups are forcing us.

Yeah. That's why I too started smoking in school... not. Giving in to peer pressure is your argument now?

The opposition to this suggestion is just mind boggling, especially since it seems to be coming from people who have zero interest in even taking part in the content in question until weeks, if not months down the line.

We're taking part in the content, also on week 1. We're just not forcing us to clear it on the same week it is released.

[Sebazy]

Yeah. That's why I too started smoking in school... not. Giving in to peer pressure is your argument now?

What's peer pressure got to do with anything? I want to raid and I've progged with the same core group since Midas. The bottom line is that I get home from work and I have to skip my way through a ton of great storyline to make sure I'm not holding my group up. Just because I raid doesn't mean I'm not allowed to enjoy the storyline too. And yeah, in my eyes, forcing people to wait whilst I watch cutscenes isn't really acceptable even if they probably wouldn't be that bothered about it. That's just not how I roll.

The argument used by those world first raiders you mention is "I dont want to have to make this a priority, so please re-design your launch schedule so I dont have to".

Please cite your sources.

Or shall I go ask my FC for them?

The angles I see are: I want to be able to do the story, I want a more consistent window to book the time off work.

If you think world first raiders are suggesting that they don't want to put the effort in, then you don't know world first raiders.

[Pepsi_Plunge]

What's peer pressure got to do with anything?

Well:

The rest of our groups are forcing us.

I have to skip my way through a ton of great storyline to make sure I'm not holding my group up.

forcing people to wait whilst I watch cutscenes isn't really acceptable

Pretty much this. Especially the last part where you're actually feeling guilty about something you would otherwise enjoy (and have every right to) and deny yourself to it just to please your group.
That's pretty much the definition of peer pressure.

[Satarn]

Pretty much this. Especially the last part where you're actually feeling guilty about something you would otherwise enjoy (and have every right to) and deny yourself to it just to please your group.
That's pretty much the definition of peer pressure.

This isn't "peer pressure", it's called being considerate of other people's time and not wanting to inconvenience them, aka "not being a selfish asshole". With all the talk like "just find other like-minded people!" etc, I am seriously starting to wonder if some of the posters in this thread have any actual friends in this game at all. It's not always just about finding some convenient "NPCs" to kill content with and then dispose of once that's no longer ideal for you.

Inb4 "lol, you're being selfish by requesting this because it inconveniences me, lol" - yeah, nope. I am aware that delaying savage would not be ideal for people who just want this content asap and don't care about anything else and I have acknowledged that side in my first post. It is overall the matter of figuring out what does the majority of raiders(yes just raiders, bc srsly if you don't raid then what the heck are you even doing in this thread, it literally does not affect you in the slightest) want, hence the discussion.
Yes, some people have been rather dismissive of the "opposition", but that goes for both sides here.

Hmmm. There is an argument to say that if you’re a world first type player, you’re not really gonna care about the raid story, you’re just going to want to dive right in to savage so you’ll just skip all cut scenes anyway and then go back and do msq after you’ve cleared them all. And in this case a delay might annoy you because you’re bored and have nothing to do until the next tier comes out and your main motivation is world first clears.

Everyone else probably won’t care about a delay because they won’t be in the world first bracket, therefore for them it’s like whatever, they’ll clear at some point.

So no, because... stereotypes? You literally have an entire thread of people saying that they might not be world first raiders, but would like a delay, right here. Assuming that hard-cores can't enjoy the story is also very silly. Why do you think this thread exists - so people can ask for something they don't even want?

[NanaWiloh]

So that between story and raid I don't have to choose to sacrifice one of them. Why don't you ask the devs why they delay savage raid for 2 weeks if it's ready on expansion release?



How are we supposed to plan it when the recipes to craft the current 480 gear don't come out until launch day? How are we supposed to plan it in advance when SE doesn't even give us the date patch will drop until it is too late to request off at our actual jobs? Mid-February is not a date, it's an approximation. I've noticed my questions still haven't been answered.

If you have set raid nights you arrange those nights too be free for two weeks with family and friends. Most people raid in the evening so thats what you would be freeing up. As for gear well thats going to roadblock you no matter you delay savage you delay the gear. Which means scambling on patch day to get any gear you need, its double a edge sword. Want to delay for story go for it but you will still have the gear roadblock to deal with.