I'm not excited about the future patch at all. Just one dungeon?

[Shurrikhan]

Your arguing individual points when the main point was "Its subjective to say WoW is better then FFXIV."
So even though I engaged you on a few of those points, remember what the MAIN point was.

The flow of comments, starting from the person to whom you were replying (and who first replied to him, followed by your joining the conversation in the fourth post):

1. "Perhaps we should consider (simple suggestion involving dungeon replayability)..."
2. "No, because you referenced WoW." (Implicit argument: WoW is inherently terrible, and any system which improved another game must be as terrible as that game, despite having improved it.)
3. Simple retort asking why a terrible game would have more players.
4. (Your first) WoW only owes its player count to its prestige (despite how much of its reputation is starkly negative, especially from those who have scarcely played it). It remains only because of its "Culture of a Game". (Implicit argument: that "Culture" is bad... else having that lasting culture would be exactly what any MMO hopes to achieve.)
5. *Suggests how easily a "Culture of a game" can be easily dismissed by how one frames that culture (e.g. merely showing off one's glamour in the capital city with quickest access to a market board as an endgame goal hardly makes XIV attractive, yet people could make a compelling point that it's what the game eventually boils down to) and that WoW may instead owe its longevity to its accumulated depth of world-story owed to its many years of activity, rather than merely cult worship.* Note: This is not a comment that "WoW is better," merely that the above snide arguments were as fallacious as they were snide.
6. "Even the amount of lore a game has is subjective!" (IA: Therefore there can be no way in which another MMO has a leg up over XIV, even if it's had an extra 8 years to get there.)
7. *Presents an example that proves the above laughably untrue, by showing that even a small side-section of the one MMO's lore has as much history as the whole of the other over 5 years' development.* Note: This is not a comment that "WoW is better," only that the volume of lore can to reasonable degree be objectively measured and therefore should not be dismissed merely as subjective.
8. ...

So on and so forth, with you arguing that any point on which another MMO might have something more than XIV should be dismissed as subjective, pulling ad hominems, and explicitly equating a generality about a community as fact applicable to its every member. Angus Beef at least goes into (a single line of) detail as to why Omy's suggestion would likely not be applicable to XIV if translated into the game verbatim, but ignores that Omy never asked that it be, all while slighting his ability to form any opinion as entirely biased (though, admittedly, he did the same at the first sign of deflection and implicit deprecation from the two of you).

But you know what was oddly absent from the conversation? At no point did anyone say that WoW was, on the whole, better. It was never the main point. You tried make it so, perhaps so you could more easily reduce and discredit his opinion, but it never was.

And let me clarify, lest I be similarly dismissed as having allegiances I do not have -- If I preferred WoW to XIV, I'd be there, not here. But that doesn't mean I'm going to be okay with anyone who references the game being tried as irredeemably biased, especially while they're the ones making fewer logical fallacies and doing less to twist the others' words. That's not okay. Imagine if this was the kind of things people looked at when forming the idea of what makes up the "XIV Culture". Give it a year of exaggeration and they'd come away thinking we're all conniving sycophants. Would you be so quick then to likewise call that over-generalization a fact?