I'm not excited about the future patch at all. Just one dungeon?

[Omymy]

FFXIV has those things to, it isn't about your Butt. A couple of threads here are, but not the game lol
Better Lore and Content? Eh, thats subjective. Its just different.

Belfs have more lore than two FFXIV expansions.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Belfs has more lore than two FFXIV expansions.

Neat.
Good for them, more lore doesn't make it objectively better lore.

[Omymy]

Neat.
Good for them, more lore doesn't make it objectively better lore.

More characters, better developed, different plots and evolution of the story.

But kay.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

More characters, better developed, different plots and evolution of the story.

But kay.

Neat, its still subjective. But if you think its better, you can say so.
Kay.

[Omymy]

Neat, its still subjective. But if you think its better, you can say so.
Kay.

No, it isnt. But talking with a fanboy always ends the same way.

Roegadyn lore:

https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Roegadyn

Belfs lore:

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Blood_elf

Anything more?

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

No, it isnt. But talking with a fanboy always ends the same way.

FFXIV is the 2nd biggest MMO with alot of people coming from WoW to play it. Must mean it has some things that people find subjectively better then WoW or -insert game here-
Thats not even a fanboy talking.

[Angus-Beef]

FFXIV is the 2nd biggest MMO with alot of people coming from WoW to play it. Must mean it has some things that people find subjectively better then WoW or -insert game here-
Thats not even a fanboy talking.

Don't even argue, they just want attention tbh.

[Omymy]

FFXIV is the 2nd biggest MMO with alot of people coming from WoW to play it. Must mean it has some things that people find subjectively better then WoW or -insert game here-
Thats not even a fanboy talking.

About the lore, nothing more to say, right?

Roegadyn lore:

https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Roegadyn

Belfs lore:

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Blood_elf

The 2nd, WoW is the first.

Point and set.

I prefer quality over quantity, that and I actually raid and craft

With craft you mean sitting and hitting the macro button?

Or actually pressing the 100% HQ button for the 90% of items?

Sounds engaging.

[Shurrikhan]

Neat, its still subjective. But if you think its better, you can say so.
Kay.

His statements were that WoW has...

• More of an open world. Objectively true. Later zones, especially, are larger and more detail-dense while still having loading screens only between continents rather than zones. Anything that can be reached by foot or mount can be reached without a loading screen.
• A vast universe. This depends on one's benchmark. Relatively speaking, this would have favored XIV significantly until ShB. Now the two are close enough in total quantifiable depth (number of players greatly interested in the game's cosmology and how long it takes to know all of it) that it doesn't seem a strong point.
• Less time spent idle in cities. Objectively true, if only due to accessible and useful midcore content and far more time played required before even hitting a soft cap on 'done everything til next patch', rather than the quality of said content (which would be only subjectively true if so). Not a huge difference, however.
• More characters. Objectively true, even if not necessarily a big deal given how little either game does to detail any but a small central cast (and WoW doesn't even do that particularly well, often depending on out-of-game lore instead even for active characters and their motivations).
• More lore. Objectively true. Though also as one would expect from a game with almost a decade's head start.
• Better lore. Subjectively possible. Though we could detail out or sub-divide criteria enough that we could have an objective winner in each category, the weighting of each and therefore the overall quality will remain subjective.

Of those, only one is subjective. That's not to say I like WoW, on the whole, more than XIV, but let's not dismiss anything and everything as "subjective" when they are, themselves, quantifiable or a vast majority of players consider X in one game better than in the other (an objective measure of subjective opinions that can at least tell you which, on the whole, performs better in regards to X).

Edit: I wouldn't even bother pointing this out if the term wasn't so often used as dismissive deflection to shut down conversations before they can get to the more objective aspects of designs, often preventing discussion into the XIV ways could improve itself.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

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I said its subjective to say Wow is better then FFXIV.
You can say it is, but that doesn't mean everyone agrees, and others may find things better about FFXIV then WoW or another game. All of that is based on people individually. Which means its subjective. Its an Opinion. And everyone has one.
Its not dismissive, its not used to shut anything down. I simply used the word as intended.

Also...
-He didn't say it has "More of an Open World" he just said open world.
A bigger map doesn't makes WoW better then FFXIV.
-The Vast Universe part is just lore. Every game has one, Real Life has one. Its subjective to think either one is better.
-The only reason you are idling in a city is if you aren't doing anything. Waiting for matchmaking? Both games you can do stuff while you wait. And Que times differ on content and on chosen Role.
-Wow has been around much longer then FFXIV, no-DUH it has more characters. Thats not a point that makes WoW better then FFXIV.
-More lore and Better lore is still Subjective. That depends on the person digesting the lore. Its as simple as that.

FFXIV sure as HECK can still be improved. This Subjective Objective conversation does not effect or stop the conversation that FFXIV can be improved and where it can be improved. But its not productive to keep saying WoW is better, and FFXIV needs to be like Wow.