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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso View Post
    you are right, nobody in this thread said WoW is better then FFXIV.
    Then why were you treating the guy as if he had when he hadn't? Why were you completely substituting the point of the posts with one of your own imagining? That does not make for honest discussion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso View Post
    what nonsense goes in your head if you think I was trying to Discredit and reduce an opinion?
    The aforementioned examples:

    Quote Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso View Post
    Obviously [they just want attention]. lol
    Ive seen the arguments they start or get into
    An ad hominem, dismissing this argument because the poster (or other WoW players) may have gotten into poor arguments in the past. He likely has -- I neither know nor care -- but if you read his responses carefully I see no reason why one should expect from this thread that his comments are trolling or utterly biased, even if he obviously has different preferences (which you've already said are fine to have).

    Quote Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso View Post
    The Cliche [unpopular opinions are because of trolling] is fact.
    An overgeneralization. I can see why it'd be situationally warranted, but this isn't quite that.
    You've been running bait-and-switch* for about half of your responses (*pretending the person you're replying to is replying either to the content or implication of either your most recent post or one previous at will in whichever way benefits you most or the person you're arguing with the least -- or otherwise just assuming the worst, to the same effect). Maybe you're both reading into each other too much -- or, maybe too little -- but you have been taking steps to discredit that opinion in ways that aren't terribly fair, intentionally or not. (I've doubtless done the same in some unintended way, but that's coming from simply having hit quote of quote until I reached the start of the conversation and trying to figure out how A reached Z while not particularly liking WoW either.)

    Tl;dr: Can we please take a step back and consider for a moment that someone mentioning a successful feature from another game does not necessarily (or even likely) mean they want to turn XIV into whichever MMO that feature comes from. I'd like to see some decent flight physics (because they just simply feel and look awesome when flying about the world), for instance, but that certainly doesn't mean I want to turn XIV into a flight simulator or an aerial combat ARPG. Moreover, can we at least attack the weak points of the feature's fit to XIV rather than that of the MMO it comes from. The topic is, after all, the feature, not its source. Attacking the source only sends to conversation to Narnia and (only rarely) back.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso View Post
    Are you gonna just ignore the fact I said I misspoke?
    That's why I wrote what I did. Someone else saying it in another thread is not the same thing as the person you're talking to having said it. They need only say it. You do not need to heap the ideas of others onto them. If that's the point they want to make, they'll say it themselves, or at the very least they'll make their dog whistles a whole lot more audible for you.
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    Last edited by Shurrikhan; 12-16-2019 at 05:17 PM.