I'm not excited about the future patch at all. Just one dungeon?

[Shurrikhan]

I said its subjective to say WoW is better then FFXIV.

Indeed, it would be. But your response was made, bar one, to points which may be argued by objective means.

He didn't say it has "More of an Open World" he just said open world.

Which is a statement obviously given in relative terms. Vindictus, a dungeon-runner with a town hub can still be said to have "an open world", just because of its run from the first town to the second. Thus, "more of". Had I argued that it had an "open world", you'd likely just throw that semantic line at me. So I picked the quicker poison.

Neither "Open" nor "having (an open world)" are bimodal. How open it is depends on how seamlessly one can move through it and between its nominal zones. WoW is thus more open. Having an open world (as part and parcel of the overall game) refers to the % time played by a typical player in the open world as compared to parts of the game which are not the open world. In that, too, WoW sees more use of the open world, even if not necessarily by a significant amount.

-The only reason you are idling in a city is if you aren't doing anything. Waiting for matchmaking? Both games you can do stuff while you wait. And Que times differ on content and on chosen Role.

You've described any and all MMOs, except to the extent that they provide activities worth doing during the time spent in queue.

Wow has been around much longer than FFXIV, no-DUH it has more characters. Thats not a point that makes WoW better then FFXIV.

I never said it did. You mentioned that the individual points were subjective, when they are not. That is all.

More lore and Better lore is still Subjective. That depends on the person digesting the lore. Its as simple as that.

"More" can be rationalized and quantified. Only "better" is predominantly subjective.

But its not productive to keep saying WoW is better, and FFXIV needs to be like Wow.

Except the person you're referring to never said that FFXIV needs to be like WoW. They pointed out that since we're getting fewer dungeons now, it'd make sense to implement a system to make the dungeons we already have make more enjoyably reusable, similar to what Myth+ has done for WoW. They strongly hinted that in developing replayable systems for scaling or otherwise challenging content, WoW seems to have its priorities straight when compared to the XIV's insistence on putting out content that will only see lasting use as furnishings and glamours. That's not a "WoW's better, haha!" quip; that's pointing out where XIV's design priorities could use further consideration.