The Frontlines Premade issue has not been fixed.

[BrianRicardo]

Unfortunately it's you who still fails to understand, brian. Throughout my time playing FL i have made several friends who, like me, enjoy playing this game mode together. This is not like your poorly given example of a game of cards, we're not all in the same room and able to talk/laugh together. Some people don't have mics or third party programs so how do we go about laughing together? We do it through the chat box system in the game, this cannot be achieved on separate teams. Do you understand.

Why even comment as if we are referring to you or your situation at all then? Are you 24 man Grand Company Syncing? NO... So, placing yourself as the example is just silly. You don't even know what was going on Aether or what the OP was referring to apparently.

People have been in voice chat on Aether, using one discord syncing up to 20-24 people on the Adders side. I am in the discord and now they are moving towards competing each other more now instead of having the large groups as I mentioned. Which is great.

Thanks for the input anyways

[Newmanxeno]

Thanks for the input anyways

Eh, I'd rather they keep doing it now. Force SE's hand to strike us down permanently to four people ourselves.
LAST DAYS OF EORZEAN CRIME PEOPLE! KILL THE PUGS!

[_Azura_]

Why even comment as if we are referring to you or your situation at all then? Are you 24 man Grand Company Syncing? NO... So, placing yourself as the example is just silly. You don't even know what was going on Aether or what the OP was referring to apparently.

People have been in voice chat on Aether, using one discord syncing up to 20-24 people on the Adders side. I am in the discord and now they are moving towards competing each other more now instead of having the large groups as I mentioned. Which is great.

Thanks for the input anyways

So only Aether players can put forth their opinions in this thread? My bad.

[BrianRicardo]

I refuse to believe that this is actually happening. Not because people aren't trying but because it is literally impossible to get 24 people on one GC at a time. Myself and my friends struggle with getting 8-12 in one go. A lot of time people are left out. More times than not. Solo pugs are quick to figure things out and work with it.




I like you Brian, but this ain't it chief. Honestly the more narrow-minded statement in this thread. While I know people like that exist, I really don't like that you lump myself, my friends, and others into this majority category. Something I can say is that most people that play with 4+ people are just trying to play with them to have fun. I play with my friends to play cooperatively with them, to support them and help them succeed. Also, everyone that has played in a premade has also gone against a premade, they know what it's like to combat that. But it's not impossible to beat a preform party. They have the exact same buttons as anyone else playing. The difference is skill, knowledge, and whether or not their teammates pay attention and have similar skill sets. When I first started playing I went against my friends, who, you guessed it, were in a premade. But instead of making a forum post complaining, I tried to learn how to beat them and mobilize my team against them, I even ASKED them how it is that I could defeat them and in turn I made relationships that lead to friendships. And that was when I really started to enjoy PvP because it became more than 'stack on maelstrom and pray'. Most people want an easy ride to victory, and I don't blame them for that, casual players exist, but don't ruin other people's experience just because you aren't willing to learn or give effort. Cus that's what all of this bullshit boils down to.

Your refusal to believe doesn't really mean anything when there is proof. They are already slowing it down and are moving more towards competing each other. I don't know if it was because this thread or just getting bored of stomping or 4 man premades battling it out is more fun...

But, you want to use yourself as an example that great on you. I was talking about a specific case and people who take it to the extreme that what's harmful. Also, this notion of "just because you aren't willing to learn or give effort" is not very deep thought. Again, this is a casual mode sometimes it will legit be people first time. You can't assume every new person is going to be learning that quickly. But, you know what might turn them off? The feeling that they can't learn because veterans are overstacking to extremely and don't even give the chance to teach them.

[BrianRicardo]

So only Aether players can put forth their opinions in this thread? My bad.

No, putting in your opinion is awesome. Putting yourself in the situations and misdirecting it as if I was talking about your situation is a little meh to me.

Clarifying again. Getting in a Voice Chat with 20-24 people to Q sync and farming for hours is not the same as being in the same grand company with a couple of friends.

[JuliusRath]

You can't assume every new person is going to be learning that quickly. But, you know what might turn them off? The feeling that they can't learn because veterans are overstacking to extremely and don't even give the chance to teach them.

When I started playing Overwatch, I got stomped all the time by player better than me. I kept at it and got better. If you let your first matches shape your entire experience, maybe PvP isn't for you. Or, hell, any competitive game for that matter. By saying this you're basically asking new players to not try Feast, not queue for Rival Wings and not even Duel. Casual players can improve at their own unique pace, I'm proof of that. But you gotta have determination in PvP. I wasn't Duelist till about 3000+ hours into WoW, no one is asking a casual player to get good over night. But I can ask that they keep trying and not get mad at those that have played 10000x longer and decide to play with friends.

Maybe someone should just ask SE to mail the rewards to premades because they earned it by queing as a group.

I'm not going to even bother with debating with you further because it's not worth my time. Your quote right here is so childish I can't tell if you're actually serious or just butthurt. I'm going to assume both. You and every other person in here painting premades as malicious intent players are just upset. I can understand it, because I was there too. The difference was that I got over it and learned from my superiors. You haven't gotten there yet. I encourage you to make a Primal alt and come play with us sometime. You're always welcome and I'm always willing to give any advice I can, even though I'm far from the best.

[BloodRubyXII]

So only Aether players can put forth their opinions in this thread? My bad.

Man that was a reach.

[BrianRicardo]

When I started playing Overwatch, I got stomped all the time by player better than me. I kept at it and got better. If you let your first matches shape your entire experience, maybe PvP isn't for you. Or, hell, any competitive game for that matter. By saying this you're basically asking new players to not try Feast, not queue for Rival Wings and not even Duel. Casual players can improve at their own unique pace, I'm proof of that. But you gotta have determination in PvP. I wasn't Duelist till about 3000+ hours into WoW, no one is asking a casual player to get good over night. But I can ask that they keep trying and not get mad at those that have played 10000x longer and decide to play with friends.

Overwatch is the perfect example for this! Imagine you were new and every time you played a quick play or ranked game the enemies was a 6 stack premade and you were solo as the game forced you to be. AND the only reason they were 6 stack is because they found a way to rig the Q by synchronization after Blizzard removed the way to do it legitimately.

This is not about not wanting to learn or people not improving. It's giving new players a bad experience and using a loophole to do so. I am not anti premade, I want 8 man premade back it one of the things that made me even do frontlines as well.

I do not think the answer is community mass grand company sync farming

[JuliusRath]

Overwatch is the perfect example for this! Imagine you were new and every time you played a quick play or ranked game the enemies was a 6 stack premade and you were solo as the game forced you to be. AND the only reason they were 6 stack is because they found a way to rig the Q by synchronization after Blizzard removed the way to do it legitimately.

This is not about not wanting to learn or people not improving. It's giving new players a bad experience and using a loophole to do so. I am not anti premade, I want 8 man premade back it one of the things that made me even do frontlines as well.

I do not think the answer is community mass grand company sync farming

You and I just see this differently. I don't see it as a loophole. To me, syncing queue is no different from using discord and queue syncing into Hydatos in the attempt at BA with a preformed party. SE clearly said they didn't want that to happen, but it did even though they wanted and expected us to PuG it out while inside the instance. I bet a lot of people in here complaining about premades are happy with their Ozma mount though. SE hasn't made a comment about this 'issue' themselves. It's clear that SE doesn't know how to handle PvP and are struggling to balance a large scale battle with a 3 way team.

The only way to 'fix' this 'issue' that people seem to have it to enforce Freelancer 100% of the time. (Let's fuck the lore, amirite?) But they would lose a large player base because of it, myself as well. No point in playing if I can't play my friends cooperatively. If I want the Feast experience in being pitted against them, I'd just play Feast.

However, I would like that people stop saying every premade party is just a group of tryhards trying to ruin peoples day by 'exploiting' something easily accessible and available to everyone. I'm sure there are plenty of premade parties out there that just don't have the experience and go unnoticed as such. But of course people make forum posts about the ones they struggle to defeat.

[Shinklet]

You and I just see this differently. I don't see it as a loophole. To me, syncing queue is no different from using discord and queue syncing into Hydatos in the attempt at BA with a preformed party. SE clearly said they didn't want that to happen, but it did even though they wanted and expected us to PuG it out while inside the instance.

Would you mind showing me where he said that? Because Yoshi-P has said "we received of lot of positive feedback especially from players in the West." in this interview: https://ffxiv.jeuxonline.info/actual...ir-mmo#english

Positive feedback tends to imply that he's happy with it right? I mean yeah, wasn't intended obviously, but he sure as hell isn't frowning upon it.

And considering that the west used the discord queueing method and Japan pugged, I'm really curious to see where Yoshi-P has stated that he has frowned upon this method. Could you link it please?