The Frontlines Premade issue has not been fixed.

[JuliusRath]

You can't assume every new person is going to be learning that quickly. But, you know what might turn them off? The feeling that they can't learn because veterans are overstacking to extremely and don't even give the chance to teach them.

When I started playing Overwatch, I got stomped all the time by player better than me. I kept at it and got better. If you let your first matches shape your entire experience, maybe PvP isn't for you. Or, hell, any competitive game for that matter. By saying this you're basically asking new players to not try Feast, not queue for Rival Wings and not even Duel. Casual players can improve at their own unique pace, I'm proof of that. But you gotta have determination in PvP. I wasn't Duelist till about 3000+ hours into WoW, no one is asking a casual player to get good over night. But I can ask that they keep trying and not get mad at those that have played 10000x longer and decide to play with friends.

Maybe someone should just ask SE to mail the rewards to premades because they earned it by queing as a group.

I'm not going to even bother with debating with you further because it's not worth my time. Your quote right here is so childish I can't tell if you're actually serious or just butthurt. I'm going to assume both. You and every other person in here painting premades as malicious intent players are just upset. I can understand it, because I was there too. The difference was that I got over it and learned from my superiors. You haven't gotten there yet. I encourage you to make a Primal alt and come play with us sometime. You're always welcome and I'm always willing to give any advice I can, even though I'm far from the best.

[BrianRicardo]

When I started playing Overwatch, I got stomped all the time by player better than me. I kept at it and got better. If you let your first matches shape your entire experience, maybe PvP isn't for you. Or, hell, any competitive game for that matter. By saying this you're basically asking new players to not try Feast, not queue for Rival Wings and not even Duel. Casual players can improve at their own unique pace, I'm proof of that. But you gotta have determination in PvP. I wasn't Duelist till about 3000+ hours into WoW, no one is asking a casual player to get good over night. But I can ask that they keep trying and not get mad at those that have played 10000x longer and decide to play with friends.

Overwatch is the perfect example for this! Imagine you were new and every time you played a quick play or ranked game the enemies was a 6 stack premade and you were solo as the game forced you to be. AND the only reason they were 6 stack is because they found a way to rig the Q by synchronization after Blizzard removed the way to do it legitimately.

This is not about not wanting to learn or people not improving. It's giving new players a bad experience and using a loophole to do so. I am not anti premade, I want 8 man premade back it one of the things that made me even do frontlines as well.

I do not think the answer is community mass grand company sync farming

[JuliusRath]

Overwatch is the perfect example for this! Imagine you were new and every time you played a quick play or ranked game the enemies was a 6 stack premade and you were solo as the game forced you to be. AND the only reason they were 6 stack is because they found a way to rig the Q by synchronization after Blizzard removed the way to do it legitimately.

This is not about not wanting to learn or people not improving. It's giving new players a bad experience and using a loophole to do so. I am not anti premade, I want 8 man premade back it one of the things that made me even do frontlines as well.

I do not think the answer is community mass grand company sync farming

You and I just see this differently. I don't see it as a loophole. To me, syncing queue is no different from using discord and queue syncing into Hydatos in the attempt at BA with a preformed party. SE clearly said they didn't want that to happen, but it did even though they wanted and expected us to PuG it out while inside the instance. I bet a lot of people in here complaining about premades are happy with their Ozma mount though. SE hasn't made a comment about this 'issue' themselves. It's clear that SE doesn't know how to handle PvP and are struggling to balance a large scale battle with a 3 way team.

The only way to 'fix' this 'issue' that people seem to have it to enforce Freelancer 100% of the time. (Let's fuck the lore, amirite?) But they would lose a large player base because of it, myself as well. No point in playing if I can't play my friends cooperatively. If I want the Feast experience in being pitted against them, I'd just play Feast.

However, I would like that people stop saying every premade party is just a group of tryhards trying to ruin peoples day by 'exploiting' something easily accessible and available to everyone. I'm sure there are plenty of premade parties out there that just don't have the experience and go unnoticed as such. But of course people make forum posts about the ones they struggle to defeat.

[Shinklet]

You and I just see this differently. I don't see it as a loophole. To me, syncing queue is no different from using discord and queue syncing into Hydatos in the attempt at BA with a preformed party. SE clearly said they didn't want that to happen, but it did even though they wanted and expected us to PuG it out while inside the instance.

Would you mind showing me where he said that? Because Yoshi-P has said "we received of lot of positive feedback especially from players in the West." in this interview: https://ffxiv.jeuxonline.info/actual...ir-mmo#english

Positive feedback tends to imply that he's happy with it right? I mean yeah, wasn't intended obviously, but he sure as hell isn't frowning upon it.

And considering that the west used the discord queueing method and Japan pugged, I'm really curious to see where Yoshi-P has stated that he has frowned upon this method. Could you link it please?

[JuliusRath]

Would you mind showing me where he said that? Because Yoshi-P has said "we received of lot of positive feedback especially from players in the West." in this interview: https://ffxiv.jeuxonline.info/actual...ir-mmo#english

Positive feedback tends to imply that he's happy with it right? I mean yeah, wasn't intended obviously, but he sure as hell isn't frowning upon it.

And considering that the west used the discord queueing method and Japan pugged, I'm really curious to see where Yoshi-P has stated that he has frowned upon this method. Could you link it please?

I'm not going to remember exactly what Live Letter it was from something over 6 months ago, this article is also way more recent. This interview just says it was successful, and it was. But Yoshida did say the intent of BA was to 'party inside and take on the challenging Dungeon.' Japan went about it the way they had initially intended. While the West were more organized outside the game. He said it was 'something they didn't forsee.' But didn't outright say it was bad, just that it wasn't the intended way the content was meant to be taken on.

[BrianRicardo]

PvE and PvP are different in that regard. Your first example of Overwatch was more relevant to the BA one as there is no real competition there. Really though, imagine being a level 1 new overwatch player. First day of playing all you were up against is a 6 stack of diamond to grand master players. Every night for many hours. There is no hope for you to join those people since you are still new or learning. Can't learn and will probably get bored and resent the game. We can assume they stopped 8 man premades because of people complaining.

So, yes if a lot of people complain more and even harder now it could happen. I think this thread probably showed some people to see multiple point of views on why you should reconsider mass sync farming. So, I'm happy.

One more thing I would like to add. Yes, I understand there are a portion of people who queue into frontlines just for a quick reward. But, one of the reason FFXIV's PUG Raiding scene does relatively well is because many people create content and guides around it. We hardly have that for PvP so if players really want to see a overall shift in players being better that one way to help out. I saw Naes do a "multiple leader" in each grand companies event yesterday that's something that can help and intrigue players to do better.