Tactful ways to inform people that they're playing badly?

[SerLuke]

Oh I agree that no one person on a 1:1 is more important the another, what I am saying is vote kicks are not based around one person it requires the a majority of those able to vote to pass. So this is where my question lays if the vote passes to remove another player for being new or less skilled how is that bad? At that point it could be seen as a fact that the vote passed which means majority of the group did not want to play with said person for whatever reason.

Overall maybe I am mixing up what people are trying to say. I have no issue with people not approving of action, more so confused as to why they refer to the action as bad. I tend to differentiate the two, just because I do not like something does not mean I think it is bad. Though I could very well using them in the wrong context now that go back and read the responses over again.

I’ve been on the receiving end of being vote kicked without explanation a few times especially when I was a newer player, it led me towards consider quitting the game because I didn’t know what I was doing wrong and that experience sucked and I wouldn’t want to put someone else through it because I’ve been there myself.

But I’ve improved over time, made corrections where I’ve needed to taken into account the advice of friends(some of whom raid savage content, not mocking raids like someone earlier accused me of) and friendly people and just in general the practice and experience that comes with playing the game over time. Thus I strive to be the kind of player that will actually help others and not make them feel like dirt because their performance might not be totally up to par. Im not perfect by any means there are jobs I’ve lvl’d that I don’t feel totally comfortable on. I just don’t want to be a jerk by making less skilled people feel like trash and kicking then to speed up runs by a few minutes.

[Awha]

I’ve been on the receiving end of being vote kicked without explanation a few times especially when I was a newer player, it led me towards consider quitting the game because I didn’t know what I was doing wrong and that experience sucked and I wouldn’t want to put someone else through it because I’ve been there myself.

But I’ve improved over time, made corrections where I’ve needed to taken into account the advice of friends(some of whom raid savage content, not mocking raids like someone earlier accused me of) and friendly people and just in general the practice and experience that comes with playing the game over time. Thus I strive to be the kind of player that will actually help others and not make them feel like dirt because their performance might not be totally up to par. Im not perfect by any means there are jobs I’ve lvl’d that I don’t feel totally comfortable on. I just don’t want to be a jerk by making less skilled people feel like trash and kicking then to speed up runs by a few minutes.

That makes sense, and I could see how your experience would lead to your outlook, but do not take this the wrong way does that really matter? Everyone has their own outlook that is shaped by their own personal experience and that itself does not inherently give one more validation over another. As an example, I mentioned this in a another thread but in WoW I went through entire tiers thinking I was a decent player until someone told me to kill myself due to how I was playing, their comment stung and after I vented with friends I grew to appreciate their comment because if it were not for them I may have never had any reason to look and improve my game play, and by improving my game play I also found a new level of appreciation for leveling and in time took part in server first kills.

This is my issue when people say it is bad to remove players because often they look at it from their own personal experience without considering the general outcome required to remove someone. Most of the group has to agree with the removal and that brings us back if the group agrees with the removal doesn't that make the removal valid and acceptable. I get that one may personally not approve of the action, but does the lack of personal approval mean that it is inherently bad or wrong? Sure certain exceptions are possible just generally speaking in this context, I think less issues would happen if people just did not take it personally and simply viewed being removed or having to leave the group less as a waste of time and more so as a means of not using the time you have playing with others who are not making the game fun.