Tactful ways to inform people that they're playing badly?

[Annabellechu]

I don't know, I still feel like kicking someone for being bad is still a pretty bad reason, why do you think it's not listed in the kick reasons? That's coming from a new player.

People are free to use party finder and make their own group, they're also free to go with their friends. Why would you ruin 1 person experience because you're lazy / without friends? Listen, I'm not saying that this 1 person that's not performing how you want is "protected" or anything. I'm just saying, what if it's this person first time in the dungeon, what if this person just doesn't know how their character works, is it really that hard to at least try and say "hey healer, you know you're spamming heal on yourself" for example. If they react badly, if they don't listen then yeah I get it and it's understandable.

Put yourself in their place, they're maybe there for a MSQ quest, maybe sidequest and they just want to clear. No one told them they had to be prepared and maybe they've been waiting for 30m and you'll just kick them cause they're not good enough for your taste without even trying, you know you can even say "this dungeon is really hard you should study it first (read about it)" and not look like an asshole.

You on the other hand you knew exactly what you were signing up for. A chance for new / bad people because you don't have anyone else to play with.

[Awha]

I don't know, I still feel like kicking someone for being bad is still a pretty bad reason, why do you think it's not listed in the kick reasons? That's coming from a new player.

People are free to use party finder and make their own group, they're also free to go with their friends. Why would you ruin 1 person experience because you're lazy / without friends? Listen, I'm not saying that this 1 person that's not performing how you want is "protected" or anything. I'm just saying, what if it's this person first time in the dungeon, what if this person just doesn't know how their character works, is it really that hard to at least try and say "hey healer, you know you're spamming heal on yourself" for example. If they react badly, if they don't listen then yeah I get it and it's understandable.

Put yourself in their place, they're maybe there for a MSQ quest, maybe sidequest and they just want to clear. No one told them they had to be prepared and maybe they've been waiting for 30m and you'll just kick them cause they're not good enough for your taste without even trying, you know you can even say "this dungeon is really hard you should study it first (read about it)" and not look like an asshole.

You on the other hand you knew exactly what you were signing up for. A chance for new / bad people because you don't have anyone else to play with.

While still debated in this game difference of play style appears to be a valid reason for removal even if it is not listed, and being as how often I have been part of groups that remove players a I tend to think SE is okay with it.

If I may ask why is using the party finder playing with friends only a one way street? This is why I am a favor of people using the vote kick feature more, it is a binary metric, did the vote pass or fail. Nothing else matters since that outcome of the vote is not based on assumptions or feelings. I guess what I am saying is I do not understand why people make it personal, because I tend to think most people who use the vote kick feature are not doing it out of malice they simply do not want to play with the person, and if it passes no matter the reasons as to why the vote passed it stands to reason if it passed the voting majority also did not want to play the person.

You are missing the point, you are trying to make it look like you are doing a noble thing by kicking someone from a casual dungeon run because they don’t meet your standards in order to make a run go a couple minutes faster or leaving and giving oneself a 30 minute penalty without saying anything because they think it will magically make someone play better in the long term.

Let’s be honest here shall we? You don’t care if that player improves or not you just want to have quick, fast runs, you are trying to make yourself look noble in a vain attempt to disguise your own selfishness you would rather all players that don’t meet your standards quit if they don’t improve in a timeframe that is acceptable to you.

Is that a bad thing though if someone wants quick and easy runs?