5.08 Patch - DPS still not balanced.

[Hacchan]

Why do people defending current "balance" play as blm+mnk+drg and have week 1 clears that wouldn't be possible with other jobs?

I mean, I'd understand if general consensus was to nerf those jobs, but people are mostly advocating for bringing other jobs to blm/mnk/drg level, so it's not like it would affect their clears... Why then?

It depend, you can't really bring all the others job up without fixing/nerfing those that are inherently broken.
Those three could use a slight nerf to keep them in line with the rest but the biggest culprit here is MNK, which can ouput as much or more dps than a BLM when it should be SAM role. The recent changes just brought up to light the job does indeed need nerf as the QoL and buff it received were too much of a gain and broke the balance and it just got accentuated with third party tools like Triggernometrie to know the server tick (but to SE defense, they couldn't entirely predict that one but it was one that was coming since SAM were doing it long before with Meditate /s).
Some job need a rework like SMN and NIN as they are either too cluttered or have clunky gameplay (mudras) that hinder the flow of action while others need a damage buff on top of that (SAM, RDM) but the main issue is to know what will affect them.
SAM for example need a severe bump in damage to return to its role of being BLM physical melee edition but with Shoha being reworked, we don't know if that'll be the plus the job needed or if even more potency or just an increase in Jinpu buff dmg % will be neeeded. While RDM just need a bump in potency since it's on the bottom of the ranged dps when it used to be just ahead of BRD during SB.

[AikenDrum]

It depend, you can't really bring all the others job up without fixing/nerfing those that are inherently broken.

Eh sure you can, just increase potency on all other jobs. This isn't pvp, jobs aren't fighting each other, whatever damage rdm+dnc+brd groups are doing doesn't directly affect blm+mnk+drg groups in any way; only indirectly when competing for a spot in group. But their own rhetoric is that doesn't matter, as long as any job can clear, right? So if say rdm were doing 50k dps and blm would remain same - blm would still totally be balanced, since their ability to clear wouldn't change, right?

[Saito_]

Eh sure you can, just increase potency on all other jobs. This isn't pvp, jobs aren't fighting each other, whatever damage rdm+dnc+brd groups are doing doesn't directly affect blm+mnk+drg groups in any way; only indirectly when competing for a spot in group. But their own rhetoric is that doesn't matter, as long as any job can clear, right? So if say rdm were doing 50k dps and blm would remain same - blm would still totally be balanced, since their ability to clear wouldn't change, right?

If peoples mind set would allow it, yes.

[Akiudo]

While RDM just need a bump in potency since it's on the bottom of the ranged dps when it used to be just ahead of BRD during SB.

not going to argue on the rest right now, but this here is simply not true, mind you i don't blame you on this, it just shows exactly where one of the issues in the discussion right now lies so with that being said...

relative dps to other jobs completly aside (if redmage where 50 dps above bard and 3000 behind blackmage it wouldn't suddenly be fine just because it is once again "ahead" of bard.

However and even more important and that what a lot of people seem to miss,(while this is true for all classes lets take your redmage bard example), redmage never was "ahead" of bard, not even slightly. Redmage in personal dps may have been just a tiny bit about bard, but that was the dps the redmage themselves had on the parser, not its raid contribution, which in the case of bard got nerfed into the ground with Shadowbringers. The metric fflogs uses since shadowbringers is different compared to stormblood. Before it was simply the dps you did, even if you were buffed with every single AST card and all, nowadays its your actual raid contribution, i.e. every bit you buff other classes for gets added to your raid dps, every bit of damage you only did because you got buffed gets subtracted, and in that regard bard went from "2% crit for the whole group passive+battle voice+foes requiem, all of which buffed group dps to 'you still got battle voice, be grateful'"