Disrespectful and Dismissive.

[Tahldon]

whole drama is about new card system, but every old astro fished for balance and they have balance in every card ... I just don't know what is this all QQ about

got balance ... bad , don't have balance bad ...

every old card expect spear was useless any way

It seems you're willfully ignoring that many people are citing that we, in fact, made use of all cards in their varying situations.

Try not to speak for everyone in that we were only "Fishing for balance" because it's definitely not true. Many of us are literally saying this.

I'm saying it now.

The lore revolved around the fate of the cards, many of us played the Job as such and made judgements at our own discretion.

As an Astrologian, our job is to interpret the will of the stars with each card that was drawn and act accordingly, not ignore them to "fish for balance".

[Dynia]

It seems you're willfully ignoring that many people are citing that we, in fact, made use of all cards in their varying situations.

Try not to speak for everyone in that we were only "Fishing for balance" because it's definitely not true. Many of us are literally saying this.

I'm saying it now.

The lore revolved around the fate of the cards, many of us played the Job as such and made judgements at our own discretion.

As an Astrologian, our job is to interpret the will of the stars with each card that was drawn and act accordingly, not ignore them to "fish for balance".

99% astro players fished for aoe balance or aoe spear, you may not be in that 99%, I don't care but you have to deal with it
I never saw any my coohealer astro ever used aoe bole, aoe spire or aoe ewer ...
never felt needed to use that cards myself too ...

[Lodi]

99% astro players fished for aoe balance or aoe spear, you may not be in that 99%, I don't care but you have to deal with it
I never saw any my coohealer astro ever used aoe bole, aoe spire or aoe ewer ...
never felt needed to use that cards myself too ...

Did you personally monitor every single AST player and came to the conclusion that none of them ever royal roaded for potency or duration?
Who are you to say that 99% of the AST playerbase used only one or two cards?

Besides, wouldn't it have been simpler to just nerf Balance instead of making every single card a three times weaker balance?

It's because of people like you our role is dumbed down and we're told to be happy with it.

[Billythepancake]

99% astro players fished for aoe balance or aoe spear, you may not be in that 99%, I don't care but you have to deal with it
I never saw any my coohealer astro ever used aoe bole, aoe spire or aoe ewer ...
never felt needed to use that cards myself too ...

You: *complains when WHM isn't buffed, and fails to understand why people dont really behind them to buff WHM*

Also you : *is glad that classes didnt get nerfed, but rather was stripped of what made them fun and unique*

Hmmm :thonking:

[Dynia]

You: *complains when WHM isn't buffed, and fails to understand why people dont really behind them to buff WHM*

Also you : *is glad that classes didnt get nerfed, but rather was stripped of what made them fun and unique*

Hmmm :thonking:

for me new card system is buff, balance in every card without any RNG is blessing not curse ...

. You never saw AoE Ewers or Spires because using an Expanded Royal Road on those effects was not worthwhile - A good portion of the classes had zero use for TP and vice versa for MP. Even for those that did use those resources, they were usually balanced around being able to control that resource in a vacuum, otherwise having an AST to control it for them would be mandatory. That's just the modifier and the effect not synergising well, which can be solved by making the effect something more useful.

that why there was only 3 good cards with dps ...
now you have dps in every card ...
what the diffrence ?

[Billythepancake]

for me new card system is buff, balance in every card without any RNG is blessing not curse ...



that why there was only 3 good cards with dps ...
now you have dps in every card ...
what the diffrence ?

To YOU it's a blessing, but I remember you stating you didnt like the class, so why would you want the core mechanic, that people did enjoy and is one of the biggest reasons they fell in love with the class, to be removed? Because its different from YOUR playstyle? So people who prefer different playstyles from YOURS cant have a class that appeals to them?

[Dynia]

To YOU it's a blessing, but I remember you stating you didnt like the class, so why would you want the core mechanic, that people did enjoy and is one of the biggest reasons they fell in love with the class, to be removed? Because its different from YOUR playstyle? So people who prefer different playstyles from YOURS cant have a class that appeals to them?

that I don't like that class that dosen't mean anything, even I don't like class that dosen't mean I don't know how to use it and that dosen't mean I didn't learn how to use it
in term of balance I don't look on class is this fun or unfun to play or it easy 1 button spam or 10 button rotation, you are able to learn any class ... , in term on balance im looking for numbers only and what skilled person can do with that numbers

removing RNG is giving this buffer better number for damage giving to others ...

EDIT: I rly don't care about WHM dps rotation for example,if is it 1 button spam or I have use 10 buttons as long I have high personal dps since we have 0 utility ...
I care more about scores and numbers than how I do that numbers ...

1 button spam ? fine ... now I have 10 buttons for dps ? sure why not as long in the end is good numbers ...

[Billythepancake]

that I don't like that class that dosen't mean anything, even I don't like class that dosen't mean I don't know how to use it and that dosen't mean I didn't learn how to use it
in term of balance I don't look on class is this fun or unfun to play or it easy 1 button spam or 10 button rotation, you are able to learn any class ... , in term on balance im looking for numbers only and what skilled person can do with that numbers

removing RNG is giving this buffer better number for damage giving to others ...

There is more to a game than just numbers and parses. wanna talk numbers? Let's look at MCH. In terms of dps and viability, it was great in SB, it could compete just fine against BRD, but despite that nobody played it. Why? Because it felt like trash to play, it was a nightmare trying to play that class well, despite how good of numbers it could produce. Same thing with AST, even if for optimization it is better in terms of sheer numbers, it feels like garbage to play it, and that's 1000x worse than having bad numbers. That's why you dont see very many ASTs now, not because it isnt viable to take one, but because it's too much of a headache to get the opener, and then after opener its boring as hell.

[Lodi]

that why there was only 3 good cards with dps ...
now you have dps in every card ...
what the diffrence ?

Bole meant less damage to the tank, it was a dps uptime buff for you and your co-healer.
Ewer meant more MP, it was a buff to anyone struggling with MP management and could save your team if multiple raises were needed.
Spire was the only useless card, because TP management was rarely an issue.