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  1. #71
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    Baidar Torgud
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by KanameYuuki View Post
    He was perfectly fine with MNK RoF slowdown, so yeah. On his videos he used to praise AST like many others but suddenly the old card system was way too problematic.

    ofc raiders and specially DPS would be happy to have a constant increase on their numbers and wouldn't care about the healers play-style, (I know this isn't the topic) are there any influencers that main healer? not a single of the YT FFXIV channels on my sub feed talk anything healing related and the current situation. You would assume with healers where there are only 3 choices and yet AST is being used less than 10% for raiding would make some kind of fuss about it.
    I find it funny that once he learned about new Astro he immediately started talking about how Astro needed changes. Then once the rework was shown he talked about how great it was.

    Then I remember watching his podcast type video where him, Sly, and Tot were all talking about the changes. During this Astro came up and Happy was oozing all over it. Saying how amazing it was and no buffs were needed, and the class had so much depth.

    Sly said that this rework wasn't as good as Happy was saying. That it's unfair for Astro's cards to be shafted like they were, and that issues were going to come from this. That astro mains wouldnt be happy with this....and Happy blew it off saying no its good. That Sly just didnt understand, and that the devs are great.

    I dont go by his word anymore. Sometimes sucking up hurts players more than actual feeback.
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    Last edited by Almostward; 08-09-2019 at 08:34 AM.

  2. #72
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    Rebecca Prairillot
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    Quote Originally Posted by Almostward View Post
    I find it funny that once he learned about new Astro he immediately started talking about how Astro needed changes. Then once the rework was shown he talked about how great it was.

    Then I remember watching his podcast type video where him, Sly, and Tot were all talking about the changes. During this Astro came up and Happy was oozing all over it. Saying how amazing it was and no buffs were needed, and the class had so much depth.

    Sly said that this rework wasn't as good as Happy was saying. That it's unfair for Astro's cards to be shafted like they were, and that issues were going to come from this. That astro mains wouldnt be happy with this....and Happy blew it off saying no its good. That Sly just didnt understand, and that the devs are great.

    I dont go by his word anymore. Sometimes sucking up hurts players more than actual feeback.
    what a shock a dps main is happy he always gets a damage buff
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  3. #73
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    Quote Originally Posted by Almostward View Post
    I find it funny that once he learned about new Astro he immediately started talking about how Astro needed changes. Then once the rework was shown he talked about how great it was.

    Then I remember watching his podcast type video where him, Sly, and Tot were all talking about the changes. During this Astro came up and Happy was oozing all over it. Saying how amazing it was and no buffs were needed, and the class had so much depth.

    Sly said that this rework wasn't as good as Happy was saying. That it's unfair for Astro's cards to be shafted like they were, and that issues were going to come from this. That astro mains wouldnt be happy with this....and Happy blew it off saying no its good. That Sly just didnt understand, and that the devs are great.

    I dont go by his word anymore. Sometimes sucking up hurts players more than actual feeback.
    Yeah I remember that too. I am not saying he's right, the only thing I point out by mentioning that is that is who the devs are listening too. And sadly for astro mains he's now saying it's good. I mean as a DPS main I agree to a point but I do think they kindof messed up insanely. I like Hyo's idea, sadly for a rework like that to happen I don't see them doing it until 6.0.. which is WAY too late honestly. Maybe astros will get lucky and SE will dail it back but it seems like they are doubling down hard atm. Which sucks for ast mains. Not going to lie tho, it is nice getting the cards now... but it sucks ast mains are unhappy about it. The only thing I actually agree with is I don't think buffs like that should be tied to RNG 100% and glad for that change.. but I'm speaking from a DPS point of view.
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  4. #74
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    Quote Originally Posted by tikiwiki View Post
    thats not even just for cards since eos and selene are the same now too
    The essential outright removal of Selene (in terms of function) does bother me. I don't recall hearing a sufficient explanation behind that decision. Just... why? Why do that? Why take away options?
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  5. #75
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueyes View Post
    I don't recall hearing a sufficient explanation behind that decision.
    We haven't received any explanation about any of the healer decisions, other than "we aren't thinking of adding a healer this expansion, because we want to balance healers."
    Followed by, later, "Oh, healers wanted a new healer? We didn't know. We'll think about that in the future."
    Then, "We don't want to hear about healer complaints! Wait until savage releases, and then we'll consider taking feedback."

    And since then not a thing.
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  6. #76
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    Baidar Torgud
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    Quote Originally Posted by MintnHoney View Post
    We haven't received any explanation about any of the healer decisions, other than "we aren't thinking of adding a healer this expansion, because we want to balance healers."
    Followed by, later, "Oh, healers wanted a new healer? We didn't know. We'll think about that in the future."
    Then, "We don't want to hear about healer complaints! Wait until savage releases, and then we'll consider taking feedback."

    And since then not a thing.
    And dont forget: We do not plan on adding any changes to any healers, but we appreciate your feedback
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  7. #77
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    Rebecca Prairillot
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    Quote Originally Posted by Almostward View Post
    And dont forget: We do not plan on adding any changes to any healers, but we appreciate your feedback
    meanwhile for dps please continue giving feedback were adjusting things as needed
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  8. #78
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    Quilia Labro
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    Cerberus
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Blueyes View Post
    The essential outright removal of Selene (in terms of function) does bother me. I don't recall hearing a sufficient explanation behind that decision. Just... why? Why do that? Why take away options?
    This is what made the most impact on me. I'm trying to imagine what drove them to remove so much with a single word or reason. Did they deem arcanist skills and Selene as not usefull 100% of the time so they had to go. It most probably weren't useful in Savage, yet I saw every button used in all the rest of the content which I can help feel is being left behind even by the developers.

    That content is already trivialized, even new dungeons moment they come out, but older versions of scholar was just cathartic to run in those places. The dungeons wasn't fun in itself, the job made it fun. I have no idea the implications, but if the developers are afraid things won't be ready for Savage then I'd like them see make a different combat system for Extreme/Savage/Ultimate. Like the already did with PvP, Deep dungeons and Eureka and it's crazy logos actions. Then rest of the content we could remove skills cut off in synced duties and the devs could make every job a demi-god with a completely unbalanced skillset that is very fun to play with. Extreme/Savage/Ultimate is already a gross exaggeration of what actually happen so the skills could varibly change too.

    Basicly a finely tuned system made for the contained boss fight with strict script and checks, and a unbalanced system outside where the developers give anything we could ask for on healer jobs.
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  9. #79
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    Selene's silence was by all means useless, but they could've just work around balancing both fairies instead of outright deleting her.

    Eos - basic heal, aoe hot, increased healing buff

    Selene - basic heal, aoe esuna, increased magic defense buff

    There. Eos is the generic mini WHM and Selene the oh crap mitigator.
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  10. #80
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    Evelynn Outreguerlain
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    Diabolos
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    Scholar Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    Selene's silence was by all means useless, but they could've just work around balancing both fairies instead of outright deleting her.

    Eos - basic heal, aoe hot, increased healing buff

    Selene - basic heal, aoe esuna, increased magic defense buff

    There. Eos is the generic mini WHM and Selene the oh crap mitigator.
    I wouldve gone more for a

    Eos - stays as she was in SB, so regen, magic defense buff, healing buff

    Selene - the aoe silence + now it does a little bit of damage (not much, give it a small potency so it can be balanced) the aoe esuna also has a small heal attached to it, basically make it a team wide embrace, and let her keep Fey wind.

    This way, eos isn your prog/defensive fairy, the one for safer strats, and selene is your farm/offensive fairy, but still has at least a heal of her own, albeit one that cant compare to WD, so she isnt completely useless in the healing department.

    I wouldve much preferred this because it allows both fairies to be useful no matter the content, and you can choose one depending on your preferred playstyle, or the situation at hand. Do you want to be safer? Maybe your first time in a raid? Go with EOS. Have this fight on farm and want a little more deeps because the healing can be handled fine? Go with Selene.
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    Make SCH great again! Seriously though, we just want our class to be fun and engaging again, not OP, is that too much to ask for?

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