Almost every complaint about the ShB job changes could be solved with talents

[GrenGarm]

Because i am actually asking a question? i want to know if you know of any MMO with good talent trees, and if so how many of them are there, so i can go look them up and see how they do it.

So much assumption by the OP. Sigh. Stop trying to assume everything, because by default you dont know if you are right.

About the balnce thing, how can that not be a goal in this game? isnt that the goal in every game?

Also straw man argument? are you serious? You yourself said that every MMO and RPG outside of this one had a talent tree and when i ask for examples of such "every" MMO i am the one making a straw man argument ....are you serious?

You created a worst-case scenario situation where the game was basically unplayable for your SCH job and held that up as the reason why the system wouldn't work. That's the definition of a strawman argument.

Balance among jobs is important. Balance among talent choices less so in a game like 14 where the vast majority of encounter difficulties aren't tuned to require top parses to beat.

Do you actually need examples of games with character customization or are you just trolling me? I mean, if you really haven't played other RPG-type games in the last 20 years, then I will gladly recommend some.

[reyre]

You created a worst-case scenario situation where the game was basically unplayable for your SCH job and held that up as the reason why the system wouldn't work. That's the definition of a strawman argument.

Balance among jobs is important. Balance among talent choices less so in a game like 14 where the vast majority of encounter difficulties aren't tuned to require top parses to beat.

Do you actually need examples of games with character customization or are you just trolling me? I mean, if you really haven't played other RPG-type games in the last 20 years, then I will gladly recommend some.

How can i put this, you also created a best-case scenario where the game (jobs) are basically fixed by the aperance of talents, and held up as the reason why the system would work. Also i did not do that in fact i never said anything about sch, you need to learn how to read, the only part that i was mocking with the sch example was your sentence that said that balance its not the "goal for a game like this..." or are you saying you did not wrote this? If balance is important is important over all not "less important" among talents (which by default would need the vast majority of time balancing) that is an assumption.

You throw the strawman argment left and right, while not understanding what it actually means. Either way in several post of your own you assume the devs will do a good job, while simultaniously critizicing people because they assume the oposite, why is it that your assumptin is better than others? If the vast majority (actually all of them) of encounters do not need top dps why should this game have a talent tree, that affects skills why not be simply cosmetic to skills? it wont make the game better just because it exist an example is that it already existed in ff14 at some point, yes it wasnt the best version of it, but you (again) assume it will be good for no reason whatsoever, you ask peple for reasonable arguments while providing none of your own, you only have opinions and if so why is it then that your opinion is better than the others?

I ask very specifically MMOs (rpg or no), that use the talent tree in an organic functional manner. I asked a pletora of questions which you have not answered at all, instead you create new arguments instead of answering the questions that i make and pretend that by doing so your argument is reasonable or more valid without actually saying anything, in fact as i go back and reread your posts, you actually havent even said why that would work or why the concern of others might not be true, you just assume they are false. So yes plpease tell me what MMOs are you are refering to, so i can provide a better argument.