Lack of End Game Content

[MonteCristo]

I guess its true....end game is glamour

[Nora_of_Mira]

You did a 40-50 hour story in 3 days. How is that not rushing?

i didn't rush either and i beat the game in early access. I had the time available to do so and casually took my time on everything. in my FC, i was one of the slowest to complete.

[Arthrun]

I agree Endgame content is not nearly as robust as WoW or other MMO's, but unfortunately the FFXIV design philosophy does not compensate for the mind set that "The game starts at Endgame." One has to look at the fact that these developers have a large internal data collection on what players do and what feedback they are taking from. Square is more likely to respond to feedback from its eastern audience rather than its western audience.

Before Shadowbringers came out Yoshi P. did interviews all over the world during the media tour. A common question that came up from Western interviewers was about a Mythic+ like system for potential endgame. Short answer: "They encourage people to take breaks." The impression that the interviews got regarding it was that Yoshi P. just simply doesn't want to do it.

Great video about how the Media tour interviews questoins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjMEzFhICPU

[SenorPatty]

Am I the only one who kind of misses the Alexander-style raids that were more dungeon like instead of just a singular room? I liked that sense of exploration (however small) and how you were actually, you know, raiding something. Don't get me wrong Omega was neat and all and I'm interested to see how the Eden story unfolds but on the whole they feel more like trials than "raids".

What you described is precisely the reason I'm gonna be clearing those raids for story purposes instead of farming them like I do with alliance raids. The labeling needs to change to "boss rush" or "Arena Battles" because everything that makes up a raid has been disposed of.

It's really disappointing because I had hopes they were gonna abandon this style of "raid" with SB but it's clear to me now that they intend to keep it this way and not for the conventional reason to please the playerbase.

[Savagelf]

there this thing called eden have you tried it yet it seem be an awesome end game stuff. also have you level up all your other jobs

[Eli85]

I can say from experience that most parties advertised "sac-pull" or "trash-skipping" in their messages, and hell, people even sold/asked for the checkpoints in coil to get past trash and the miniboss in T1. It was incredibly common.

Also, a study, really? It'sevents that happened 5-6 years ago in a game, where most advertising was still done in shouts. Party finder didn't exist, people didn't really use reddit. There's no proof left. It's also just as reckless to post that it didn't happen without proof.

You say that from your experience? That's called anecdotal evidence, which is reflective of your own, personal experience, and cannot be applied to anyone else (or, worse, even a game). Just because you experienced people asking to trash skip or sac pull, does not mean that is everyone's experience.

Yet, you would pronounce your own personal experience as the reason for a change. Please.

Post a study or metrics that corroborate the claim. If you do not, then you're just spreading misinformation.

[Eli85]

there this thing called eden have you tried it yet it seem be an awesome end game stuff. also have you level up all your other jobs

Eden—even in PUGs it's cleared in an hour (and with weekly loot lockouts, you're done for the week).

Leveling up all your other jobs—not end game content, no matter how you spin it.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

You say that from your experience? That's called anecdotal evidence, which is reflective of your own, personal experience, and cannot be applied to anyone else (or, worse, even a game). Just because you experienced people asking to trash skip or sac pull, does not mean that is everyone's experience.

Yet, you would pronounce your own personal experience as the reason for a change. Please.

Post a study or metrics that corroborate the claim. If you do not, then you're just spreading misinformation.

Do you have a study showing otherwise?

Saying it's anecdotal evidence may be accurate sure. But there is no study that exists like I said. No one does studies on these things. You are just trying to get out of having to make a return argument. Did you have a different experience during Coil? Did you even raid when coil was a thing?

[SendohJin]

You got a study that corroborates both of those statements? Ridiculous. There is no way for you to know either of these things, and it's beyond reckless to post them on a public forum.

Pro-tip: When you say "players in general" or "people didn't want", just stop. You don't speak for the masses.

what's the recklessness? who has been harmed?

you don't have to believe it, every PUG, every static i was in wants to skip trash as fast as possible.

[Nayout]

I love how people defend the lack of content endgame in the game. It reminds me of when people defended Blizzard with the Wow patches and having their players for 1 year with the same content. They are using the same damn excuses that people used to say in that game.

This commentary perfectly summarizes everything, the game has a PROBLEM but that problem is part of its philosophy.

I agree Endgame content is not nearly as robust as WoW or other MMO's, but unfortunately the FFXIV design philosophy does not compensate for the mind set that "The game starts at Endgame."