Duty Finder Roulette Etiquette

[tinythinker]

Note: I am not suggesting there is any kind of official etiquette for the DF in FFXIV. Just curious about what I've picked up since joining the game/community (either from things people say on the forums, tweets, streams, in game, etc. or through their actions). Not saying everyone or even most would agree, but I've wondered how much these things have contributed to the reputation of FFXIV's community?

Anything you disagree with? Anything you think is missing?


GENERAL

1. ABC (Always Be Casting). In other words, due whatever is best for the group at that moment: buffing, getting enmity, healing, dealing damage, etc. Help keep the party alive and moving forward.

2. Accept PUG life. Unless you've got a 100% pre-made then you don't know the maturity level, skill level, experience level, etc. of your random party members. Sure, they may have a few jobs to the current level cap, but how frequently do they play? How did they get to that level? Do they spend more time on housing and crafting? Of course it can be frustrating when you have your own ideal way to play, and if someone is really rude, won't accept advice, has a different ideal way to play, etc., it can be frustrating. But that's part of DF. If someone is unbearable and enough fellow party members agree that individual can be vote-kicked.

3. Patience pays off.

Again, if someone is really making things difficult there is the vote-kick option. Some people may be lazy or arrogant, or just appear that way. You can find out by offering a helping hand. If they swat it away, you've got your answer. If they don't, your advice will make the game better for that player and everyone else they play with.

4. Other people aren't you.

Their goals, preferences, dedication to the game, etc. are theirs. Yours are yours. The trick to community is accepting that and working with it. If you're frustrated, you can leave, try to kick, complain, or try to help.

Two examples.

A person saying they felt bad that a clearly less experienced player quit at the last boss of the final story dungeon for 5.0. This person understood not everyone is at a level where dungeons are easy, yet the other player chose to quit.

On the flip side, a different person complaining that someone was going too slow and that people who can't handle big pulls or know all of the mechanics of a dungeon should use trusts until they can do fast runs in DF. Yet, not everyone wants to use trusts. Some prefer to play with others and experience new content blind. Or they may complete the main story on one job then try learning another (after their trust has de-leveled).

We can want things for or from other players, but we can't force them.



DUNGEONS

1. You pull it, you tank it. Pretty straightforward. Let the tank pull. If you want bigger pulls, try asking for them.

2. AOEs, please. Please learn which buttons are for your area of effect abilities and click them quickly during trash mob pulls of 3 or more. This helps the tank take less damage, keeps the healer from going out of mana, and makes the dungeon go by faster.

3. Don’t limit Limit Breaks to the last 5% of the final boss. A ranged dps limit break, for example, is super useful in really large trash pulls. (The expectations are a little different in raids, where people tend to leave LB alone so healers can use LB3 in the face of a pending wipe to resurrect everyone.)



TRIALS/RAIDS

1. There can be only one… main tank. Figure out who it will be before pulling and follow through.

2. Failure can be a great teacher…but only if you’re willing to learn. If you want to leave or vote abandon because of a single wipe, maybe 8 or 24 players instanced content isn’t the right activity for you. Work with others to see what went wrong and go again unless it’s clear that it just won’t work.

3. Mechanics aren’t just for cars. Entire alliances still wipe in level 50 content because people were ignorant of the mechanics or were goofing around. No harm done, but whether from a learning group, a visual guide, or both, strive to learn the basic mechanics. (Caveat: I often forget them myself, so this isn’t me putting myself up over anyone else.)

[tinythinker]

And in case it was missed, I'm not suggesting anyone has to follow any of these. They are simply the impressions I've received from the community so far.

[Kaethra]

Anything you come up with, make sure to compare to the rules at: https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...6&id=5382&la=1

Specifically these:

"Offensive expression" means an expression in general that inflicts emotional distress by being offensive to another person. Offensive expression may include:

・Aggressive expressions such as violent language/slander/insult/threat.
・Expressions that provoke or belittle another person, such as excessive criticism, negation/ridicule
・Expressions that significantly lack consideration for another person
・Expressions that unilaterally reject another person's opinion
・Expressions that any reasonable person would find offensive
・Expressions that compel a playing style
・Expressions that attempt to unilaterally exclude someone from the game or content/community, etc.
(Except when in accordance with rules set by an administrator such as a Free Company Master)
・Expressions that contravene public order and morals
・Other expressions that are offensive to another person

You have to be very careful in the speech you use in groups. If someone construes one of your expressions as trying to compel them to play a certain way, or they feel left out within the community, or that you completely disagree with their opinion, you could face action on your account.

Figured I've give the heads up as a sort of public service announcement.


With that said, everything you said looks like commonsense to me. And I could agree with it. Though with the rules being what they are. I think I'll just keep all of my ingame 'experessions' to my private discord. Though thankfully your suggestion doesn't require anyone speaking in game.

[BubblyBoar]

Sounds to me like you are compelling me to a certain playstyle without paying my sub.

[LittleChickenNugget]

This thread is going to go over well.

[van_arn]

The rule that overrides all other rules is you do what your party wants or you get the kick.

[tinythinker]

This thread is going to go over well.

*shrug*

Sometimes when people get worked up over one topic they bring it into other threads. I don't worry about it

[ForteNightshade]

The only "rule" for want of a better term I find silly is the whole "you spank it, you tank it" mentality. If you asked someone not to pull ahead of you and they continuously do, have at it then. You've at least tried to work with them. However, just outright refusing to pick up mobs because they aggro'd more isn't accomplishing anything. All you have done is given the healer more work. And no, you aren't "teaching them a lesson." Odds are if they're willing to pull for you, they couldn't care less.

It's kind of the same philosophy as purposefully standing in AoEs because the healer isn't DPSing.

[MomomiMomi]

And no, you aren't "teaching them a lesson." Odds are if they're willing to pull for you, they couldn't care less.

Actually, if they die, then they can no longer contribute damage. This will make the run take longer. The reason they're pulling is because they want the run to go faster.

[tinythinker]

Anything you come up with, make sure to compare to the rules at: https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...6&id=5382&la=1

Specifically these:



You have to be very careful in the speech you use in groups. If someone construes one of your expressions as trying to compel them to play a certain way, or they feel left out within the community, or that you completely disagree with their opinion, you could face action on your account.

Figured I've give the heads up as a sort of public service announcement.


With that said, everything you said looks like commonsense to me. And I could agree with it. Though with the rules being what they are. I think I'll just keep all of my ingame 'experessions' to my private discord. Though thankfully your suggestion doesn't require anyone speaking in game.

I understand your concern.

I was clear that my post was the impression I have received from others, not anything anyone is compelled to do, yet I appreciated why you may not want to discuss that post here.

I don't mind using discord for things, but it has a much more limited reach for discussion :/