Duty Finder Roulette Etiquette

[tinythinker]

Note: I am not suggesting there is any kind of official etiquette for the DF in FFXIV. Just curious about what I've picked up since joining the game/community (either from things people say on the forums, tweets, streams, in game, etc. or through their actions). Not saying everyone or even most would agree, but I've wondered how much these things have contributed to the reputation of FFXIV's community?

Anything you disagree with? Anything you think is missing?


GENERAL

1. ABC (Always Be Casting). In other words, due whatever is best for the group at that moment: buffing, getting enmity, healing, dealing damage, etc. Help keep the party alive and moving forward.

2. Accept PUG life. Unless you've got a 100% pre-made then you don't know the maturity level, skill level, experience level, etc. of your random party members. Sure, they may have a few jobs to the current level cap, but how frequently do they play? How did they get to that level? Do they spend more time on housing and crafting? Of course it can be frustrating when you have your own ideal way to play, and if someone is really rude, won't accept advice, has a different ideal way to play, etc., it can be frustrating. But that's part of DF. If someone is unbearable and enough fellow party members agree that individual can be vote-kicked.

3. Patience pays off.

Again, if someone is really making things difficult there is the vote-kick option. Some people may be lazy or arrogant, or just appear that way. You can find out by offering a helping hand. If they swat it away, you've got your answer. If they don't, your advice will make the game better for that player and everyone else they play with.

4. Other people aren't you.

Their goals, preferences, dedication to the game, etc. are theirs. Yours are yours. The trick to community is accepting that and working with it. If you're frustrated, you can leave, try to kick, complain, or try to help.

Two examples.

A person saying they felt bad that a clearly less experienced player quit at the last boss of the final story dungeon for 5.0. This person understood not everyone is at a level where dungeons are easy, yet the other player chose to quit.

On the flip side, a different person complaining that someone was going too slow and that people who can't handle big pulls or know all of the mechanics of a dungeon should use trusts until they can do fast runs in DF. Yet, not everyone wants to use trusts. Some prefer to play with others and experience new content blind. Or they may complete the main story on one job then try learning another (after their trust has de-leveled).

We can want things for or from other players, but we can't force them.



DUNGEONS

1. You pull it, you tank it. Pretty straightforward. Let the tank pull. If you want bigger pulls, try asking for them.

2. AOEs, please. Please learn which buttons are for your area of effect abilities and click them quickly during trash mob pulls of 3 or more. This helps the tank take less damage, keeps the healer from going out of mana, and makes the dungeon go by faster.

3. Don’t limit Limit Breaks to the last 5% of the final boss. A ranged dps limit break, for example, is super useful in really large trash pulls. (The expectations are a little different in raids, where people tend to leave LB alone so healers can use LB3 in the face of a pending wipe to resurrect everyone.)



TRIALS/RAIDS

1. There can be only one… main tank. Figure out who it will be before pulling and follow through.

2. Failure can be a great teacher…but only if you’re willing to learn. If you want to leave or vote abandon because of a single wipe, maybe 8 or 24 players instanced content isn’t the right activity for you. Work with others to see what went wrong and go again unless it’s clear that it just won’t work.

3. Mechanics aren’t just for cars. Entire alliances still wipe in level 50 content because people were ignorant of the mechanics or were goofing around. No harm done, but whether from a learning group, a visual guide, or both, strive to learn the basic mechanics. (Caveat: I often forget them myself, so this isn’t me putting myself up over anyone else.)

[tinythinker]

And in case it was missed, I'm not suggesting anyone has to follow any of these. They are simply the impressions I've received from the community so far.

[Kaethra]

Anything you come up with, make sure to compare to the rules at: https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...6&id=5382&la=1

Specifically these:

"Offensive expression" means an expression in general that inflicts emotional distress by being offensive to another person. Offensive expression may include:

・Aggressive expressions such as violent language/slander/insult/threat.
・Expressions that provoke or belittle another person, such as excessive criticism, negation/ridicule
・Expressions that significantly lack consideration for another person
・Expressions that unilaterally reject another person's opinion
・Expressions that any reasonable person would find offensive
・Expressions that compel a playing style
・Expressions that attempt to unilaterally exclude someone from the game or content/community, etc.
(Except when in accordance with rules set by an administrator such as a Free Company Master)
・Expressions that contravene public order and morals
・Other expressions that are offensive to another person

You have to be very careful in the speech you use in groups. If someone construes one of your expressions as trying to compel them to play a certain way, or they feel left out within the community, or that you completely disagree with their opinion, you could face action on your account.

Figured I've give the heads up as a sort of public service announcement.


With that said, everything you said looks like commonsense to me. And I could agree with it. Though with the rules being what they are. I think I'll just keep all of my ingame 'experessions' to my private discord. Though thankfully your suggestion doesn't require anyone speaking in game.

[tinythinker]

Anything you come up with, make sure to compare to the rules at: https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...6&id=5382&la=1

Specifically these:



You have to be very careful in the speech you use in groups. If someone construes one of your expressions as trying to compel them to play a certain way, or they feel left out within the community, or that you completely disagree with their opinion, you could face action on your account.

Figured I've give the heads up as a sort of public service announcement.


With that said, everything you said looks like commonsense to me. And I could agree with it. Though with the rules being what they are. I think I'll just keep all of my ingame 'experessions' to my private discord. Though thankfully your suggestion doesn't require anyone speaking in game.

I understand your concern.

I was clear that my post was the impression I have received from others, not anything anyone is compelled to do, yet I appreciated why you may not want to discuss that post here.

I don't mind using discord for things, but it has a much more limited reach for discussion :/

[DonovanLifeweaver]

Anything you come up with, make sure to compare to the rules at: https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...6&id=5382&la=1

Specifically these:



You have to be very careful in the speech you use in groups. If someone construes one of your expressions as trying to compel them to play a certain way, or they feel left out within the community, or that you completely disagree with their opinion, you could face action on your account.

Figured I've give the heads up as a sort of public service announcement.


With that said, everything you said looks like commonsense to me. And I could agree with it. Though with the rules being what they are. I think I'll just keep all of my ingame 'experessions' to my private discord. Though thankfully your suggestion doesn't require anyone speaking in game.

2 words

**** sensitivity! if you act like a butthole and dont correct yourself i wont hesitate to take off my sugarcoated gloves and put my salt covered gloves and send you flying. and i wont give a damn if i hurt your feelings in the process princess.

[MomomiMomi]

2 words

**** sensitivity! if you act like a butthole and dont correct yourself i wont hesitate to take off my sugarcoated gloves and put my salt covered gloves and send you flying. and i wont give a damn if i hurt your feelings in the process princess.

You're going to last long. /s

[DonovanLifeweaver]

You're going to last long. /s

actually? yes. been in eorzea since 2.0 and i never had to deal with so much stupidity before. and i never regret calling out someone in a group because he acts like an idiot. i dont care for internet respect or approval of other people. i play the game cuz i like it and i know where im going with the things i do. dont like? sthu or take your 30 like a man. specially if you're a new player from another mmo or a cash shop leveled up class that cant align 2 skills without messing them up

[HyoMinPark]

actually? yes. been in eorzea since 2.0 and i never had to deal with so much stupidity before. and i never regret calling out someone in a group because he acts like an idiot. i dont care for internet respect or approval of other people. i play the game cuz i like it and i know where im going with the things i do. dont like? sthu or take your 30 like a man. specially if you're a new player from another mmo or a cash shop leveled up class that cant align 2 skills without messing them up

Or, if your party doesn’t like the way you’re doing things, they can dismiss you. Majority rules.

[HumanNinjaToo]

Anything you come up with, make sure to compare to the rules at: https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...6&id=5382&la=1

Specifically these:



You have to be very careful in the speech you use in groups. If someone construes one of your expressions as trying to compel them to play a certain way, or they feel left out within the community, or that you completely disagree with their opinion, you could face action on your account.

Figured I've give the heads up as a sort of public service announcement.


With that said, everything you said looks like commonsense to me. And I could agree with it. Though with the rules being what they are. I think I'll just keep all of my ingame 'experessions' to my private discord. Though thankfully your suggestion doesn't require anyone speaking in game.

I forget sometimes that USA is really the only country in the world with free speech. Of course I think people should be kind to each other in game, and IRL; but people getting banned from the game for being offensive is crazy to me.

[savageink]

"the you spank it you tank it" thing is always funny.

running a pug, one time I remember having a super tank who pulled everything as fast as humanly possible. and everyone was hitting buttons as fast as possible to keep up...then suddenly the dude charges up to the next mob and stops dead in front of it and turns around. everybody in the party is in twitch mode at this point and somebody nails the mob. tank just stands there. and complains about people pulling. i wrote it off as a troll.

or tank pulls a bunch of mobs in an open area, nearby mob aggros the healer. tank pulls out the "you tank it" BS. I try to pull them off the healer. Healer is trying to run away and keep the tank alive. wipe. next time he tries the same crap. I manage to pull the mob off the healer in time and drop it right accross the tanks aoes. Tank whines about it.

mistakes happen. whether it's a dps accidentally pulling a mob or a tank mass pulling in the middle of an open area where anybody can aggro passing mobs instead of on the side (or just grabbing all of them). if you get pissy about it expect to wipe.