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  1. #41
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    NekoNova's Avatar
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    Olivar Starblaze
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    Ragnarok
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    Summoner Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Anienai View Post
    Always use comms on Roes.
    You misspelled Lalafell
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    Olivar Starblaze
    Onion Knight - Lalafell Carbuncle Retainer
    <TASTY>
    Ragnarok Server

  2. #42
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    NanaWiloh's Avatar
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    Nana Wiloh
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    Lamia
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    My opinion is let the tank pull. Why? Cause the tank knows what they can handle I know what I can handle as a healer. The dps know what they can handle, so if everyone remains patient for one or two pulls. That is all thats needed to figure out how many mobs the GROUP can handle. This leads to smoother faster run cause nobody is being overwhelmed or getting frustated..
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    Note: Taking advice from a players alt, is like taking advice from a voice in a dark room. Criticism is a two way street remember that!!

  3. #43
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    Laphael's Avatar
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    Laphael Lanelar
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Intellion View Post
    No. "You spank it, you tank it" has always been MMORPG etiquette 101 for ages now.
    Ppl knew for centuries that the earth is flat...

    With the new tank stances enmity management is super easy. A dps pulling to keep there buff (dancer dancing for example) is better for the run than letting the buffs run out.
    Also, if someone else is able to pull more/faster, you basically pulled not enough/to slow.
    Exceptions are: New player/some special pulls/communication before pull.
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  4. #44
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    Hash_Browns's Avatar
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    Hash Browns
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    Siren
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    Paladin Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Laphael View Post
    Ppl knew for centuries that the earth is flat...

    With the new tank stances enmity management is super easy. A dps pulling to keep there buff (dancer dancing for example) is better for the run than letting the buffs run out.
    Also, if someone else is able to pull more/faster, you basically pulled not enough/to slow.
    Exceptions are: New player/some special pulls/communication before pull.
    A cocky DPS pulling a boss because I'm waiting for people to still get into the arena to start will only serve to them losing the buff when they die. I don't generally agree with the rule "you pull it, you tank it" - but DPS have been getting way more annoying as of late, especially during things such as Alliance Raids where it's now not uncommon to see DPS bolt ahead of tanks and pulling the bosses/enemies only to cause a wipe ,or cripple the run.
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  5. #45
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    Jibikly Pureheart
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    Ragnarok
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Mistakes happen. It is fine. But If I see DPS pulling on purpose even after I have asked nicely to let me pull it as a tank. " You spank it you tank it"!

    It is very rare this to happen. Can remember one time and it was because both dps were friends. I literally sat back took my Tanking stance off and became a DPS. It was fun until healer asked to stop with the nonsense. They didnt want to.. so Healer left and then me too. Dont know if they finished or had to wait a lot of other victims....
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  6. #46
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    Misutoraru's Avatar
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    Misutoraru Valkyrie
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Respect, dps want to pull to keep buff timer, I am fine but do it properly, face the boss in the right position and be prepare to switch with tank. If the tank and heal need to do extra to keep your buff up, you are slowing everyone down

    And if you pull when someone still watching cut scene, I will let you tank it till that player finish cut scene and ready
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  7. #47
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    Remzi Viarod
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    Ultros
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    Paladin Lv 80
    Nicely done OP. i main a PLD and on rare occasions i get
    1. You pull it, you tank it. Pretty straightforward. Let the tank pull. If you want bigger pulls, try asking for them.
    I base my pulls on if the healer is able to handle, and I wait till they tell me they are good with larger packs of pulls, until then, its small groups as i come to them as the pace of the instance sets. some heals are machines and can handle , but i dont over tax my healer as a tank. I dont care how much faster the other dps want to move.
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    Drive it like u stole it

  8. #48
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    Laphael Lanelar
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    Cerberus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hash_Browns View Post
    A cocky DPS pulling a boss because I'm waiting for people to still get into the arena to start will only serve to them losing the buff when they die. I don't generally agree with the rule "you pull it, you tank it" - but DPS have been getting way more annoying as of late, especially during things such as Alliance Raids where it's now not uncommon to see DPS bolt ahead of tanks and pulling the bosses/enemies only to cause a wipe ,or cripple the run.
    You made an example where it is not ok to pull, obviously.

    Also the reason it got worse is probably, like i said, getting enmity back is really easy for the tank now and tanks are not as much in need as before.

    Before Shb, you would usually let the tank have his way, because it was a bigger issue to replace him. So Tanks usually got what they wanted even if it was an annoyance for the whole grp.
    Now with healers being more in demand those tanks get suddenly told, what to do different and that party wishes matter too; followed mostly by a tantrum at the infantile level. (aka putting tankstance out and letting everyone die)
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  9. #49
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    Cemil Molkoh
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    Cerberus
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    Dancer Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by tinythinker View Post
    2. AOEs, please. Please learn which buttons are for your area of effect abilities and click them quickly during trash mob pulls of 3 or more. This helps the tank take less damage, keeps the healer from going out of mana, and makes the dungeon go by faster.


    2. Failure can be a great teacher…but only if you’re willing to learn. If you want to leave or vote abandon because of a single wipe, maybe 8 or 24 players instanced content isn’t the right activity for you. Work with others to see what went wrong and go again unless it’s clear that it just won’t work.
    That are my Main Points.
    Single Target Damage on Trash Mobs is so ARR...zzzZZZzzz.

    For vote abandon in PUG Trials/Raids..i always say No an stay till time out.
    If u want to leave,leave like a chicken.
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  10. #50
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    Momomi Momi
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    Behemoth
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    Alchemist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Laphael View Post
    You made an example where it is not ok to pull, obviously.

    Also the reason it got worse is probably, like i said, getting enmity back is really easy for the tank now and tanks are not as much in need as before.

    Before Shb, you would usually let the tank have his way, because it was a bigger issue to replace him. So Tanks usually got what they wanted even if it was an annoyance for the whole grp.
    Now with healers being more in demand those tanks get suddenly told, what to do different and that party wishes matter too; followed mostly by a tantrum at the infantile level. (aka putting tankstance out and letting everyone die)
    It's not just tanks, though. As a healer, I do not approve of pulling unless if you are the tank. I don't care if the tank and I can handle it or not; it's disrespectful.

    You want faster/larger pulls? You ask for it, and hope we agree to it. Otherwise, queue as tank yourself.
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