Duty Finder Roulette Etiquette

[NessaWyvern]

If I see DPS or Healer intentionally run ahead and pull, I will switch to single target and let the adds kill whoever pulled. Don't pull for me unless I know you. Ask me politely to pull more and I'll be glad to. But if you try to do my job for me, you get to try and fail at it.

But what if a healer pulls, and nobody dies because the healer can manage?
I've done this a few times when mobs hit like a wet noodle, but the tank refuses to pull more than one pack at a time.
I don't extra pull if I know it would kill someone though.

I think that if you're not pulling the full amount that you can reasonably manage, you're not doing your role fully as a tank.
Just like if you can't heal the tank despite the tank using CDs, due to not using all your abilities and mana management, you're not doing your full job as a healer.
And just like if a dps doesn't use AoE abilities when there's multiple mobs, you're not doing your full job as a dps.

Theres a bit more to tanking than just pulling some mobs and keeping aggro on them.

[Violet_Galaxy]

Duty Finder Roulette Etiquette

1. Doesn't exist.

There. With so many colorful personalities playing this game, it's sad that there isn't a solid consensus on this. That's just my opinion, but etiquette just doesn't exist in this game. Do a quick search on the forum and some of the most basic concepts (that SE spells out to us mind you) have like 30-50+ pages of nothing but bickering and passive aggressiveness.

[CazzT]

But what if a healer pulls, and nobody dies because the healer can manage? I've done this a few times when mobs hit like a wet noodle, but the tank refuses to pull more than one pack at a time.
I don't extra pull if I know it would kill someone though.

I think that if you're not pulling the full amount that you can reasonably manage, you're not doing your role fully as a tank.
Just like if you can't heal the tank despite the tank using CDs, due to not using all your abilities and mana management, you're not doing your full job as a healer.
And just like if a dps doesn't use AoE abilities when there's multiple mobs, you're not doing your full job as a dps.

Theres a bit more to tanking than just pulling some mobs and keeping aggro on them.

If the Healer can handle being beat on for a while, I'll usually peel off them. At that point, it's pointless not to. I will also ask that others not pull for me. I actually haven't had this issue in ages here, though. When I pull slow, it's almost always due to my first time in the dungeon or not having played that particular tank in a while and I'm getting my bearings before going all out. And in either of those cases, if the Healer asks for bigger pulls, I'll almost certainly do so.

I've been tanking for years. I love it. I love running in, pulling everything and their dogs and laughing maniacally as 50+ baddies beat on me. Sometimes, I'm out of practice or I'm not sure of the abilities the enemy uses; in these cases I'll pull a little slower at first.

Duty Finder Roulette Etiquette

1. Doesn't exist.

There. With so many colorful personalities playing this game, it's sad that there isn't a solid consensus on this. That's just my opinion, but etiquette just doesn't exist in this game. Do a quick search on the forum and some of the most basic concepts (that SE spells out to us mind you) have like 30-50+ pages of nothing but bickering and passive aggressiveness.

Wrong. Etiquette does exist. I rarely encounter someone rude in DF. I would even say that 99% of DFs I do are polite, friendly, or at least passive/quiet people. I love dungeon crawling. I just wish I still had the time to do it all the time.

[Kaylessa]

actually in world of diablo 3 or Elders pay to pimp my horse. you can basicly tank in any classes and act like a an ass and still win. this mentality tends to be carryed over to ff14 by those who fled their previous mmo and dont like to be told that common still exists in eorzea.

Diablo 3 isn't an MMO and you're wrong about ESO. Unless you're talking about Elder Scrolls games in general which also aren't MMOs.

[Nightroad]

As healer I follow the tanks lead,
You get one ' free ' pull , everyone makes mistakes after all.
After that..... well you are on your own.

If you are a special snowflake , make your own party for party-finder.

[tinythinker]

Duty Finder Roulette Etiquette

1. Doesn't exist.

My OP says the list is just based on the impressions I've received from others in FFXIV community, not that it is official or universal on all data centers or servers, etc.

And the fact that people talk a lot about what people should or shouldn't do is part of making this thread. I definitely see different "camps" or schools of thought on how best to approach the DF.

[Andevom]

Now, Raid Finder, that's another story.

The story of Raid Finder is that it's a barren wasteland.

But yes, people do queue for "Duty Completion" all the time despite never once setting foot in the fight. I just kinda take it because I'm thrilled when it actually pops.

[Anienai]

Anything you think is missing?

Always use comms on Roes.

[Violet_Galaxy]

My OP says the list is just based on the impressions I've received from others in FFXIV community, not that it is official or universal on all data centers or servers, etc.

And the fact that people talk a lot about what people should or shouldn't do is part of making this thread. I definitely see different "camps" or schools of thought on how best to approach the DF.

Fair enough. A bit more cynicism slipped through than I would like, but time and time again I just lose hope in topics such as this. Even if it's just something as simple as impressions, arguments will start in this very thread. Give it time.

[Intellion]

The only "rule" for want of a better term I find silly is the whole "you spank it, you tank it" mentality. If you asked someone not to pull ahead of you and they continuously do, have at it then. You've at least tried to work with them. However, just outright refusing to pick up mobs because they aggro'd more isn't accomplishing anything. All you have done is given the healer more work. And no, you aren't "teaching them a lesson." Odds are if they're willing to pull for you, they couldn't care less.

It's kind of the same philosophy as purposefully standing in AoEs because the healer isn't DPSing.

No. "You spank it, you tank it" has always been MMORPG etiquette 101 for ages now.
DPS who act like they can tank better than the tank are bad DPS, since not only are they not playing their class correctly, but they're also not properly contributing to the team.


The community needs to stop babying the DPS classes. If tanks and healers don't play properly, they are properly reprimanded by the rest of their team.
DPS need to be treated the same as well. You tank it? You spank it. Your job is to burn down enemies and do mechanics, not to rush ahead of the group. No ifs, no buts.
End of discussion.



Got a problem with that? Feel free to leave or vote kick the tank/healer. Either way, tanks and healers have insta-queues, DPS do not.

So in the end, the tanks and healers will always win.