1.20a tomorrow :D

[Coglin]

Now, we can all argue that there's no TP-free attack ability, which is true.

Okay, now we're on the same page. Don't you agree it's much better to be civil than say someone's opinions are worthless and should be ignored?

My biggest issue, one that cannot be circumvented, is the fact that you can no longer use any abilities to actively initiate combat.

Now see, this is where I take issue. There are TP-free attack ability, again if you had any experience with mellee classes, you may or may not know this. There are at least 5.

Also, its not so much that people are calling your opinion worthless, they are calling it flat out invalid. Frankly with good reason, the vast majority of you post here have flat out wrong informaion. Meaning you clearly do not have a working knowledge of the subject you wish to lecture on.

Stood over my husband's shoulder and watched him.

SO the heck what? I watched my wife make an ice sculpture once to. That by al means does not mean I have the experience or knowledge to go to an ice sculpture forums and post lectures.

Your post contain misinformation after misinformation after misinformation. its not your opinion thats getting you personally attacked. Its the fact that you do not appear to know what you are talking about that gets you attacked. Then you further attempt to defend you post of misinformation. Its a Fact that there are at least 5 abilities to initiate combat with 0 TP.

No one is telling you to shut up and get out

We are telling you to get a clue or shut up nd get out.

[Murugan]

I just wanted to say I enjoy the combat system as it is today and every patch makes it more and more enjoyable. I disagree with people who say its to slow because I enjoy keeping track of whats happening rather than keeping track of which special attack timer is up so I can spam them again.

I feel like the new system gives a tactical advantage to groups who like to control fights over zerg them.

Exactly, this is why the combat system is absolutely heading in the right direction. Now give us the new Battle Regimen system, and all those nice Job abilities. I'm looking forward to them, and this direction is exactly why I am playing this game over every other MMO on the market. If I wanted to wear down 3-4 buttons on my keyboard with constant repetitious mashing and little critical thought applied I have a great number of options available to me in the MMO market over the past 5 years.

Finally here we have an MMO that is pushing players to put some thought back into MMORPG combat.

[AdvancedWind]

Now see, this is where I take issue. There are TP-free attack ability, again if you had any experience with mellee classes, you may or may not know this. There are at least 5.

Uhh...

There are no TP free attack skills, bro. The closest we have are the reactionary skills, and they still use 250/500TP.

[Coglin]

Uhh...

There are no TP free attack skills, bro. The closest we have are the reactionary skills, and they still use 250/500TP.

You sir are wrong.

Example of one
Light Shot
Optimal Level : 1
Delivers a ranged atack

Also, there are 4 more that are avaliable cross class to any class, that I can think of off the top of my head, I would have to log in game to check if there are more.

[AdvancedWind]

You sir are wrong.

Example of one
Light Shot
Optimal Level : 1
Delivers a ranged atack

Also, there are 4 more that are avaliable cross class to any class, that I can think of off the top of my head, I would have to log in game to check if there are more.

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Light Shot is the archer regular shot, it doesn't really count. All the other skills you are looking for are likely old Guild Mark abilities, those have either been removed or became weaponskills.

[Coglin]

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Light Shot is the archer regular shot, it doesn't really count. All the other skills you are looking for are likely old Guild Mark abilities, those have either been removed or became weaponskills.

Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa, how dose is not count ? It initiated battle with no training point cost, and its on a DoW. That fits the 2 pre-req of the debate in which you and another garunteed previously do not exist. I also know for a fact that I have 4, none TP requiring abilitied avaliable to my PGL, MRD, and GLD, that are initial attacks.

No sir, I am not mistaken, Nothing I refere to is "most likely" guildmarks or anything else.

Perhaps some folks need to get in game and use some of the abilities , check out some of what crosses classes, and learn the system a little more, before attempting to educate the community. At this point all thats occuring is the purpetuation of misinformation.

[Griss]

Pro tip: Throwing weapons are your friends. The throw action is outside of the equip able action limits.
Yea i can see where low level combat would be pretty slow. Good thing that this phase of a players game time relatively short.

As far as whats coming today, probably nothing to get excited about. How ever bayohne did drop a bit of a cryptic statement in the announcement that the SeA offices were on break until January 2nd.

I'm sure the upcoming patch 1.20a will keep you all busy (and posting...) in our absence and we look forward to getting back into the saddle in the new year!

Kind of makes you wonder. Damn that malboro.

[normalforce]

Pro tip: Throwing weapons are your friends. The throw action is outside of the equip able action limits.
Yea i can see where low level combat would be pretty slow. Good thing that this phase of a players game time relatively short.

As far as whats coming today, probably nothing to get excited about. How ever bayohne did drop a bit of a cryptic statement in the announcement that the SeA offices were on break until January 2nd.



Kind of makes you wonder. Damn that malboro.

Always sticking his tentacles where they're not wanted!

But ya, I'm not sure if that's a general statement about how no matter what SE does, people will complain about it ad nauseam or if it's a I know something you don't know.

I haven't messed with throwing weapons, do they generate much TP?

[Rowyne]

You sir are wrong.

Example of one
Light Shot
Optimal Level : 1
Delivers a ranged atack

Also, there are 4 more that are avaliable cross class to any class, that I can think of off the top of my head, I would have to log in game to check if there are more.

I could be a right biotch and laugh at the irony of this, but I have no desire to embarrass you.

You might want to check the patch notes.

Light Shot is Archer exclusive. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that means it cannot be cross-classed. That means melee can't use it, and we're talking about melee here, not ranged.

Also, could you specifically cite the 4 other non-TP melee attack abilities? I wouldn't want to perpetuate misinformation.

[AdvancedWind]

Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa, how dose is not count ? It initiated battle with no training point cost, and its on a DoW. That fits the 2 pre-req of the debate in which you and another garunteed previously do not exist. I also know for a fact that I have 4, none TP requiring abilitied avaliable to my PGL, MRD, and GLD, that are initial attacks.

No sir, I am not mistaken, Nothing I refere to is "most likely" guildmarks or anything else.

Perhaps some folks need to get in game and use some of the abilities , check out some of what crosses classes, and learn the system a little more, before attempting to educate the community. At this point all thats occuring is the purpetuation of misinformation.

Wow.

You did not actually get the point she was trying to make, and is trying to claim the existance of stuff like Throw completely puts her point apart, which it doesn't.

I, too, disagree with her views, but at the damn least I understand her.

Let me make it clear for you, on her behalf then:

There are no free offensive melee abilities on this game, that both require no TP or consumables (cooldown only skills) and therefore making combat "worse" and "less interactive". Light shot is, for all intent and purposes, the archer's regular attack, it doesn't count. Throwing Javelins, axes, stones and the like also doesn't, as they are ranged moves that require consumables.

Stop making assumptions over someone else's opnions when you didn't even understand it, stop being overly agressive, and stop assuming others do not play the game.