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[Vahlnir]

I've never ran into that issue with all effects turned on. I don't think its an issue with the game not being to handle it and more to do with the machine running the game or 1 piece of its hardware not making quota.

I don't have this problem with 24 people, but when it gets past 100 or so smacking the same thing there's nothing that can really be done but ride it all out and hope you don't die. Always been a thing spanning multiple platforms. PS3, PS4, laptop and gaming desktop. If someone has a top of the line PC and super fast internet I'm sure it's less of an issue but it's still an issue that SE has never really solved. Past a certain point players not in your party and other non essential objects should be phased out to reduce the load and they are not, at least not as much as they should be. And even when they do vanish it is as though they are still there. Obviously they are, but we shouldn't have to load them when there's a lot going on in a small area like a Fate circle.

[Vnolan]

Nope. You want boring face roll 24man, go do Orbonne. BA isn't even difficult mechanically, it's only the no raising that forces players to be accountable for their own game play. I'm 100% for more challenging content especially considering Savage has been nerfed to the ground since Heavensward and there's no Ultimate this tier. I would say BA is on par with an average 24man in difficulty.

The support date was a good idea, it just needed an incentive. Having that fate drop fragments is a better idea.

Since you're clearly against premades from entering as they lower the difficulty of the dungeon, how do you think SE should prevent them from getting in?

Players could mimic the difficulty if they so desired by simply refusing to raise or be raised if their remembered didn't proc, though something tells me they wouldn't if given the choice.

[Janhyua]

Nope. You want boring face roll 24man, go do Orbonne. BA isn't even difficult mechanically, it's only the no raising that forces players to be accountable for their own game play. I'm 100% for more challenging content especially considering Savage has been nerfed to the ground since Heavensward and there's no Ultimate this tier. I would say BA is on par with an average 24man in difficulty.

The support date was a good idea, it just needed an incentive. Having that fate drop fragments is a better idea.

What I meant by reducing the difficulty is reduce the HP to 24 man instead since making it in to a 24 man duty finder as the rest of the mech stay the same same as the adds reduce hp so the entire dungeon does not take 2 hours

more people does not make it harder its just cluster F

[Acesfool]

I can honestly say I already dread going into Hydatos because of the BA situation. For starters, I will likely never get to run BA. I'm a 24 hour caretaker for a family member and simply cannot set aside 3 hours for a dungeon. That's nobody's problem but my own. But when i go to Hydatos and after Onvi is killed the chat battle begins. Most of the time the premade group is polite. They ask that nobody snipe the portals please. But there's that little suggestion that if you do enter a portal they will consider it sniping. Within a few seconds it turns into a shouting match between the premade group and regular players in the instance. There's always someone in the premade who says they'll report anyone who takes a portal. Then the others say you can't report me for playing the game. And on and on it goes.

By the time the support fate pops a good portion of the players are saying they won't do it because they want the premade to fail. Although I question how many actually follow through with that threat because there is always a very large crowd at the fate. But once it's over the whole debate about who has rights to the portals starts all over. That's usually when I get tired of it and leave.

[Rockette]

Since you're clearly against premades from entering as they lower the difficulty of the dungeon, how do you think SE should prevent them from getting in?

What on earth are you talking about. I've never once in this thread said I'm against premades. In fact, I've actively said it should be allowed as this is generally people's method of choice. Examples, also my original post at the start of this thread.

Regardless of peoples opinion of portal sniping, all it comes down to is the design is bad. The portals were a terrible idea. This is an MMO. Players will want to create parties to run together, whether for prog or to run with their friends, and overlooking this or thinking the basic culture of party finding will change is terrible design.

These are definitely the biggest issues. They need to let Alliances queue and then take one portal per team.

Players could mimic the difficulty if they so desired by simply refusing to raise or be raised if their remembered didn't proc, though something tells me they wouldn't if given the choice.

What? Players can neither accept or refuse to raise because no one can use raise, doesn't matter if you're a premade or not. The only way you live after dying is if the remembered procs.

Have you actually read any of this thread or been in BA? Or are you simply throwing trash from the peanut gallery.

[Rockette]

What I meant by reducing the difficulty is reduce the HP to 24 man instead since making it in to a 24 man duty finder as the rest of the mech stay the same same as the adds reduce hp so the entire dungeon does not take 2 hours

In theory, this already can happen. We went in as a group of 8, split 4 and 4 on the first bosses and got them to 50% before wiping to mechanics since we were new. The adds/bosses scale with the amount of people in there. We saw AV's HP jump up when our support group entered. The only issue is the 6 rooms before AV that would create the need to be a 24man minimum.

Good luck telling everyone else they can't come in if you wanted to test this though.

BA IS difficult mechanically when you can't see the mechanics due to too many players. FFXIV has had culling issues since ARR. This isn't new. Why they thought they could get away with it in BA is ridiculous.

This is correct, although its bug related rather than mechanics. I'll add it to the OP though since it is a massive issue. I have also found myself completely losing target on the wyverns in AV when they disappear in the crowd.

[Janhyua]

In theory, this already can happen. We went in as a group of 8, split 4 and 4 on the first bosses and got them to 50% before wiping to mechanics since we were new. The adds/bosses scale with the amount of people in there. We saw AV's HP jump up when our support group entered. The only issue is the 6 rooms before AV that would create the need to be a 24man minimum.

Good luck telling everyone else they can't come in if you wanted to test this though.



This is correct, although its bug related rather than mechanics. I'll add it to the OF though since it is a massive issue. I have also found myself completely losing target on the wyverns in AV when they disappear in the crowd.

that why i am asking for duty finder....

[Rockette]

that why i am asking for duty finder....

Well your original post said

Things to change

1. Change BA into 24 man raid instead and lower the difficulty

So forgive me if I assumed you wanted to change it to a 24man and lower the difficulty.

[Vnolan]

What on earth are you talking about. I've never once in this thread said I'm against premades.

Nope. You want boring face roll 24man, go do Orbonne. BA isn't even difficult mechanically, it's only the no raising that forces players to be accountable for their own game play. I'm 100% for more challenging content especially considering Savage has been nerfed to the ground since Heavensward and there's no Ultimate this tier. I would say BA is on par with an average 24man in difficulty.

You can't say the difficulty needs to be maintained while at the same time using a premade.

What? Players can't refuse to raise because no one can use raise, doesn't matter if you're a premade or not. The only way you live after dying is if the remembered procs.

The difficulty largely comes from no raises. If they removed the debuff that prevents raising through normal means, players like yourself would still be free to play it as it is now.

[Rockette]

You can't say the difficulty needs to be maintained while at the same time using a premade.

Why not? If they're going to allow premades they could make it harder. Again, the dungeon mechanically isn't difficult by any stretch. And again, I never said anything about premades and difficulty. I responded to someone saying they wanted to make the dungeon easier which you have seriously gone off on a tangent with.

The difficulty largely comes from no raises. If they removed the debuff that prevents raising through normal means, players like yourself would still be free to play it as it is now.

I've cleared it 4 times in premades. The no raise thing is largely a non issue, and again, as I said, its the only thing in BA that gives it a challenge. In fact, I think coupled with the Sacrifice gamble its quite an interesting quirk.

What is the point of your posts, what are you trying to argue here.