Baldesion Arsenal Feedback

[Moonfish]

Womp womp.

How, exactly, does this prove that entering BA to take part in the content against the rules? If you see people entering and leaving then feel free to report them. People joining to actually play are within their rights to, same as any group formed before entering Eureka.

[Akonyl]

Yes imagine content not beaten on day one, or fearmed to death within 2 weeks... awful.

The world first clear happened two days after patch release, which is longer than world-first savage content, it's a pretty good clear time difficulty.

The issue has nothing to do with the actual time it takes to prog to a clear though, it's that there's absolutely no reason to make the instance many times harder for yourself by not pre-forming. It's the exact same thing as progressing through savage via PF instead of a static, except in this case the downside is amplified with 7x the amount of people to possibly make mistakes, with over 15x the time wasted each time someone wipes the group late in the raid. Is it possible? Maybe. But how many people do savage via PF prog if they can find a static that works with their times? Not many people, because the extra time wasted is just so much less worth it even if your static's only mediocre.

Even if it was pug-only, with the game somehow managing to 100% prevent premades and forcing total pugs, all that would happen is that this anger people have towards the pre-organized groups now would instead be focused towards new players 1-2 months later when pugs have been progging BA for months, getting more gear, and still not getting clears because they keep being wiped because a new guy drags a ball through the group on AV or blows everyone up with an acceleration bomb during ozma.

The difficulty range from the first boss to the last is absolutely massive, it makes no sense for there to not be a way to differentiate "I want to try up to the second boss" groups from "I want to try to clear" groups, which there wouldn't be if it was just pug only. Organization just makes things better for new players and experienced ones, everyone can get what they're looking for.

[NessaWyvern]

The duty does seem pretty badly designed, they should have made it a separate raid in DF that unlocks when you get max lvl in eureka.
You get instances where you can't get anyone into BA at all. If there's no premades you can't go in. Not enough people, and people are far too scared to even try it, if it's not a premade.
If there are premades, and you're not part of one, and go in, you'll get cussed out and reported.
If you don't go in, and someone is trying to clear, and most people have never seen the NM outside before, so the people outside didn't beat it, more cussing and reports.

The first time I saw the NM, nobody had dispel or feint on their bars, because we didn't know what it was. When the fate was already at 50%, someone inside was cussing and shouting "Dispel!!". But wouldn't tell anyone what to dispel and everyone outside was already at the fate, dying with no dispel on their bars, without much time to run back and get it. He told everyone afterwards that if you were at the fate, you trolled, and it was all your fault and you cost them a clear. Most of us there weren't even level 60 yet, let alone knew what to do :V

It was a huge mess, and it feels like BA was made not to be done.

[reivaxe]

Womp womp.

There's a big difference.
1 is someone going in and either just afking in a corner or leaving so that they can successfully suck up a spot and screw someone over.
You would have to be able to prove that they did this.

Someone disregarding people asking them to not click on something they earned access to is different. No one has the right to tell them not to take a spot, the did the fate and meet the requirements. The game gives you the option to have a sure spot, people just don't take it.

[Stanelis]

Well there is a difference between snipping a portal to prevent players to enter and using a portal to take part in BA.
The first one is reportable, the second one is not. Moonfish is right...

And how do you take part in BA if you go in alone when 47 other players are in premades and will simply leave in that case ?

[Awful]

The duty does seem pretty badly designed, they should have made it a separate raid in DF that unlocks when you get max lvl in eureka.
You get instances where you can't get anyone into BA at all. If there's no premades you can't go in. Not enough people, and people are far too scared to even try it, if it's not a premade.
If there are premades, and you're not part of one, and go in, you'll get cussed out and reported.
If you don't go in, and someone is trying to clear, and most people have never seen the NM outside before, so the people outside didn't beat it, more cussing and reports.

The first time I saw the NM, nobody had dispel or feint on their bars, because we didn't know what it was. When the fate was already at 50%, someone inside was cussing and shouting "Dispel!!". But wouldn't tell anyone what to dispel and everyone outside was already at the fate, dying with no dispel on their bars, without much time to run back and get it. He told everyone afterwards that if you were at the fate, you trolled, and it was all your fault and you cost them a clear. Most of us there weren't even level 60 yet, let alone knew what to do :V

It was a huge mess, and it feels like BA was made not to be done.

It's honestly a lost opportunity it's a damned if you do damned if you don't and there's no way to organize or invite people into a group I don't get why we can't invite people in Eureka, we couldn't do it in Diadem either to create Alliances but we could at least invite people. That's really unfortunate though that people are blaming and shaming other people and with the report that Bristol linked you can't report someone unless they're actively doing it but how would you know?

It's a mess honestly my friends have been telling me all week about how bad the groups are and how toxic it is for people to be actively yelled at when it's their first time and even on instance where one of my friends got blacklisted because she "supposedly" took the other persons friends spot.

[Fiorinol]

The problem is, right now I'm seeing specific discords on some data centers celebrate this GM screenshot as proof that "They've got these randoms down" now. There are already names going around of randoms who will just join a portal without being in a group that called dibs on it. Some discord groups are threatening to ban/remove people who are seen as "snipers", even if they legitimately want to do the content and want nothing to do with Discord servers.

Yesterday evening it was impossible to find any instance not monopolized by +50 player discord groups. In fact, whenever a new instance spawned, it was because these large parties kept spamming to queue, and they would appropriate it.

I run some groups, but I've heard experiences from other players and even friends that the groups they were in was a very bad experience; a lot of yelling and people being downright rude.

[Moshimoshikami]

And how do you take part in BA if you go in alone when 47 other players are in premades and will simply leave in that case ?

Looks like 47 people snipping portals...

[Vahlnir]

Yesterday evening it was impossible to find any instance not monopolized by +50 player discord groups. In fact, whenever a new instance spawned, it was because these large parties kept spamming to queue, and they would appropriate it.

I think it's selfish to lay claim to portals, tbh. But at the same time I can understand why people want to form their own groups and make sure it goes as well as possible. SE should have made recruitment better and easier. To me, the fault mostly lies with the devs for not thinking this through. Eureka as a whole is a poorly designed mess imo. BA is pretty much the culmination of every bad decision they've made regarding this content. We've got a lack of a recruitment system in game (a proper one) and multiple layers of RNG while locking most of the good stuff behind it all because most people wouldn't touch it otherwise and SE knows it. And to top it all off there is a potential for exp loss if you fail.

[Rockette]

Regardless of peoples opinion of portal sniping, all it comes down to is the design is bad. The portals were a terrible idea. This is an MMO. Players will want to create parties to run together, whether for prog or to run with their friends, and overlooking this or thinking the basic culture of party finding will change is terrible design.

But before you even get to the portals you spend the first hour with 6 groups spam entering and exiting instances until you all end up in the same one.