Il Mheg 1/2 of two mirrored zones?

[Iscah]

hints wise here is some [proof for interdimensional travel]:
-The Calling from the warrior of darkness.

We don't know it's from the Warrior of Darkness. Some people think so, but there's no guarantee - and it's implied that they will likely die upon returning to their home shard at the end of 3.4.

Yeah sorry I was making that assumption that the Rak'Tika Greatwood is the name inhabitants have for what outsiders call the Golmore Jungle.

True it could be just a specific region so if it saves farther confusion I'll go back an edit it to
Rak'Tika Greatwood ("near where" the Orbonne Monastery is located)
if that helps?

We're still not sure it's nearby. We know it's "somewhere", and apparently Viera live in it.

We also know from the Wandering Dramaturge that other Viera live in the foothills of the Skatay Range to the north of Dalmasca.

Rak'tika could be there, or it could be somewhere else entirely. It's best not to make statements like the location is a fact, until we know for sure.

Sylphs talk in the common tongue spoken in Eorzea its just they just speak it with out personal pronouns, it's not a different language .

not a different language like dragon where this " ko[h]l ool a[n] t[h]arl " means something

We only see them speaking Common, but they do have their own language. It's used for some of the lyrics in Ramuh's theme.

[fay2]

I think Balipu refers to the language used in the first part of Ramuh's theme.

Ah ok well if they made a full language for that it was really really under used. Also quite a waste of assets.

So apologies Balipu fair point then

We don't know it's from the Warrior of Darkness. Some people think so, but there's no guarantee - and it's implied that they will likely die upon returning to their home shard at the end of 3.4.

I agree they are likely dead but death isn't to much of a problem if they are using the Ascians trick but with cyrstals of light.

We're still not sure it's nearby. We know it's "somewhere", and apparently Viera live in it.

We also know from the Wandering Dramaturge that other Viera live in the foothills of the Skatay Range to the north of Dalmasca.

Rak'tika could be there, or it could be somewhere else entirely. It's best not to make statements like the location is a fact, until we know for sure.

read the original post
I said "Two of the zones shown so far feel like they are from southern Othard so far." I said Feel like not passed it as fact.

[Iscah]

I agree they are likely dead but death isn't to much of a problem if they are using the Ascians trick but with cyrstals of light.

That's what they were using to travel to the Source, and what we collectively use to warp to the aetherial sea where we see Minfilia again, and they depart for the First... but the crystals' power is almost spent - and again, it's implied that by returning to their own world, in which they physically died and then 'escaped' to the Source, they are returning to that reality where they have died and will complete the natural process of returning to the Lifestream.

[fay2]

That's what they were using to travel to the Source, and what we collectively use to warp to the aetherial sea where we see Minfilia again, and they depart for the First... but the crystals' power is almost spent - and again, it's implied that by returning to their own world, in which they physically died and then 'escaped' to the Source, they are returning to that reality where they have died and will complete the natural process of returning to the Lifestream.

The important bit is "the crystals' power is almost spent" not spent yet, and they ask "Midealyn" (nods to QT_Melon ) to take them back.
Implying they hitched the way back to the 1st shard thus not using anymore to return, but it seems unlikely they will "live" past the start of the start of the expansion.

For now they can't be counted as returned to the Lifestream yet.

Do you have a different option for the who is doing the calling using Arbert's voice?

[Iscah]

Do you have a different option for the who is doing the calling using Arbert's voice?

My guesses while speculating after patch 4.4 were all time-travel based, since the Voice's words are mostly taken from (if I remember correctly) a time-travel spell in Tactics.

So my thoughts at the time were: future Alphinaud, future Unukalhai, or (since I'd read a rumour/leak claiming the Crystal Tower was going to be involved in 5.0) future G'raha Tia.

And now we have the 5.0 poster, featuring a mysterious hooded figure who (I and some others think) looks an awful lot like G'raha.

Regardless of whether that resemblance is intended, or it's supposed to be a new character entirely, it would be a reasonable possibility that the person on the poster might be behind the mysterious voice.

[fay2]

The best other option for who is calling us is that it is a character we have not yet met. My money is currently on it being the actual Zodiark who is trying to get the WoL's attention and is having trouble doing so.

Hmmm It's been a long time since we've had that dark crystal image.

Even if Arbert and Co. were to use the Crystals of Light to go back to their shard, they would still have to use the Ascian trick of possessing a body in order not to die. The entire point of how the Ascians stay alive is that it is an aberration of the natural process of life and death. Both the Asicans and the WoD purposely detached their souls from their bodies (like they were going to die). Only instead of going to the Lifestream like dying aether is supposed to, they went Somewhere Else. So long as they don't go to the lifestream, the can stay alive indefinitely. However, in order to interact with the material world, they do need bodies. So they posses them.

Thanks for expanding what I was getting at with the ascian trick.

Basically being dead isn't a final end to a beings existence. we have seen a number of cases so far and the scions even discuss it when then they come up with a theory to kill Ascians back in the ARR days.

So my thoughts at the time were: future Alphinaud, future Unukalhai, or (since I'd read a rumour/leak claiming the Crystal Tower was going to be involved in 5.0) future G'raha Tia.

And now we have the 5.0 poster, featuring a mysterious hooded figure who (I and some others think) looks an awful lot like G'raha.

There was?

That G'raha Tia ?
The one that put the Crystal Tower to sleep?


The Crystal Tower with a bridge to the 13th shard.

That leak if true lends more credence to interdimensional travel.

Regardless of whether that resemblance is intended, or it's supposed to be a new character entirely, it would be a reasonable possibility that the person on the poster might be behind the mysterious voice.

So you think a 3rd party is using Arbert's voice to do the calling ?
Nothing to say it isn't nothing to say it is at the moment.

That doesn't make mute
-The Calling from the warrior of darkness (Arbert).
being a hint at interdimensional travel. Its still a hint.

[Iscah]

That G'raha Tia ?
The one that put the Crystal Tower to sleep?

The Crystal Tower with a bridge to the 13th shard.

That leak if true lends more credence to interdimensional travel.

Yes, that G'raha Tia.




There's definite potential for the Thirteenth to be a "back door" to interdimensional travel, having got in and out again with our body and soul intact, but if it is indeed G'raha in the poster then time travel seems likely too.

It would probably be the best way to bring him into MSQ without causing timeline issues for anyone who didn't do the raid - introducing a future version of him, released from the tower at some future point.

It also might fit with the voiceover from the trailer asking "how many years have come and gone?" - or, regardless of who it is, it still might fit with the idea of the WoL being pulled through time.

So you think a 3rd party is using Arbert's voice to do the calling ?
Nothing to say it isn't nothing to say it is at the moment.

That doesn't make mute
-The Calling from the warrior of darkness (Arbert).
being a hint at interdimensional travel. Its still a hint.

I don't think it's necessarily Arbert's voice at all, particularly seeing as he's most likely dead.

I usually play with the voices turned off, so I can't judge the similarity myself, but from the discussion around 4.4 and then the 5.0 trailer there isn't a consensus on who the voice sounds like.

So we have the mystery voice who called to us in patch 4.4, and the mystery voice in the trailer who may or may not be the same person. At this point we can't be sure who it is. You can base your theories off who you think it sounds like, but it isn't definite.

[LineageRazor]

Do you have a different option for the who is doing the calling using Arbert's voice?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it the case that English was the ONLY language in which they used Arbert's voice for the calling? It's been a while, but I seem to remember conversation in the forums to that effect.

It could well still be Arbert, but why would they change his voice in the other versions?

It seems to me more likely that if they changed the voice, then the voice is supposed to be a new character - and for the English, they either hired the same guy to voiced Arbert to voice this new character, or hired a new actor whose voice just happens to be similar to his.

I will admit, though, that there's an awful lot of puzzle pieces that click together right if it IS Arbert. Heck, he doesn't even have to be "alive" really. Not everyone in the game returns to the lifestream immediately upon death, even though that's the natural progression - and there's no doubt that Arbert had unfinished business that might be holding his soul back from rest...

[fay2]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it the case that English was the ONLY language in which they used Arbert's voice for the calling? It's been a while, but I seem to remember conversation in the forums to that effect.

It could well still be Arbert, but why would they change his voice in the other versions?

That it may not be Arbert's voice but possibly same VA? It's not uncommon for English VAs do multiple roles. :P.

Interesting that would put it into the category of ,Hint or Red Herring.
Red Herring being a hint whether meant or unintended to mislead.

It is fundamentally an hint either way, and it may be something only in the English but its still here, we are in the English part of these forums.

Its use was in response to Katie_Kitty who stated there was "really no evidence whatsoever or even hints" for shard travel.

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I get that 1st shard travel is a common pet theory but there's really no evidence whatsoever or even hints that that's what going on.

hints wise here is some:
-warriors of darkness coming from the 1st shard (like QT_Melon stated)
-Minfilia going to the 1st shard with the warriors of darkness (like QT_Melon stated)
-The Calling from the warrior of darkness.
-The Scions that have been called their souls have traveled and vanished but their souls have not returned to the live stream.

Katie_Kitty also said

On the other hand they've practically thrown the time travel suggestions in our faces all throughout the leadup to shadowbringers.

but gave nothing

So thankyou Iscah

As I recall, the first suggestions of time travel were from the game itself, or something close to it - the Caller's words being taken from a time-travel incantation in FF Tactics, the 5.0 trailer's suggestion that "years have come and gone", that past events must be undone and that "history must be unwritten".

So one line is similar to time-travel incantation in FF Tactics that's a fair hint

However its very possible "throw wide the gates that we may pass" its just the warp/transport travel part of the spell and may be just in other travel spells too.
Being that the rest of the spell is yet to show. Which is also bit that refences time and the part that makes it a time-travel spell .


When it comes to the "the 5.0 trailer's suggestion that "years have come and gone""

They have. that ones fact.
Have you asked yourself how many in game years have passed since FFXIV release?


Then the "that past events must be undone and that "history must be unwritten"" also a fair hint

This could also be used by someone fighting a set fate or someone seeing a repeating pattern in history and trying prevent it {Less likely}. Considering fate is regularly viewed as prewritten history "history must be unwritten" fits that too.

[fay2]

But if it is meant to be him, then it's new evidence that strengthens the support for a theory I already had. And I still think his reappearance as an MSQ character (say, if you said out of the blue "G'raha's coming back into the story, how could you make that work?") would be most plausibly supported by using the pre-established possibility of time travel to get around the issue of him originating in an optional quest.

Asked how they handled Estinien and Nidhogg in the dragoon class quests between 30 and 50, if you finished HW and where in late HW or beyond when you did them?

or
Nanamo Ul Namo in the CUL 50 quest if you did it while she was "dead" in msq

2+4=6
13-6=7
What about the other seven?

Rejoined in previous Calamities, and no longer in existence.

Yup was working again on that assumed knowledge as Iscah answered here.

However that said they might also be there in some state of flux too. Being how assumed knowledge tends to go.

If those 7 are in flux, so there but not there. You would need a temporal barrier to visit safely in the least if not time travel at that point.
Also if they are in a state of flux it might also lore in a reason as why they went from there have been 6 heaven/hells to 7 heaven/hells, between ffxiv and ARR. Being these remnants of shard are those "hells" rather than 7 hells sounds better{it dose} as a reason.