Il Mheg 1/2 of two mirrored zones?

[fay2]

That's what they were using to travel to the Source, and what we collectively use to warp to the aetherial sea where we see Minfilia again, and they depart for the First... but the crystals' power is almost spent - and again, it's implied that by returning to their own world, in which they physically died and then 'escaped' to the Source, they are returning to that reality where they have died and will complete the natural process of returning to the Lifestream.

The important bit is "the crystals' power is almost spent" not spent yet, and they ask "Midealyn" (nods to QT_Melon ) to take them back.
Implying they hitched the way back to the 1st shard thus not using anymore to return, but it seems unlikely they will "live" past the start of the start of the expansion.

For now they can't be counted as returned to the Lifestream yet.

Do you have a different option for the who is doing the calling using Arbert's voice?

[ObsidianFire]

The best other option for who is calling us is that it is a character we have not yet met. My money is currently on it being the actual Zodiark who is trying to get the WoL's attention and is having trouble doing so.

Even if Arbert and Co. were to use the Crystals of Light to go back to their shard, they would still have to use the Ascian trick of possessing a body in order not to die. The entire point of how the Ascians stay alive is that it is an aberration of the natural process of life and death. Both the Asicans and the WoD purposely detached their souls from their bodies (like they were going to die). Only instead of going to the Lifestream like dying aether is supposed to, they went Somewhere Else. So long as they don't go to the lifestream, the can stay alive indefinitely. However, in order to interact with the material world, they do need bodies. So they posses them.

The WoD knew that they were going to die even before then came to the Source. The only thing they wanted was for their Shard to not be destroyed by a Flood. They don't really care what happens to themselves so long as that can be prevented. Once Hydaelyn says she can prevent that from happening, their task is done and their journey is over. The WoD are agents of Hydaelyn same as we are and breaking the world (which is what is happening when the Ascians stay immortal) isn't something they want to do. We can see Ramza and Co. doing the same thing at the end of the Ivalice Raids.

[Iscah]

Do you have a different option for the who is doing the calling using Arbert's voice?

My guesses while speculating after patch 4.4 were all time-travel based, since the Voice's words are mostly taken from (if I remember correctly) a time-travel spell in Tactics.

So my thoughts at the time were: future Alphinaud, future Unukalhai, or (since I'd read a rumour/leak claiming the Crystal Tower was going to be involved in 5.0) future G'raha Tia.

And now we have the 5.0 poster, featuring a mysterious hooded figure who (I and some others think) looks an awful lot like G'raha.

Regardless of whether that resemblance is intended, or it's supposed to be a new character entirely, it would be a reasonable possibility that the person on the poster might be behind the mysterious voice.

[fay2]

The best other option for who is calling us is that it is a character we have not yet met. My money is currently on it being the actual Zodiark who is trying to get the WoL's attention and is having trouble doing so.

Hmmm It's been a long time since we've had that dark crystal image.

Even if Arbert and Co. were to use the Crystals of Light to go back to their shard, they would still have to use the Ascian trick of possessing a body in order not to die. The entire point of how the Ascians stay alive is that it is an aberration of the natural process of life and death. Both the Asicans and the WoD purposely detached their souls from their bodies (like they were going to die). Only instead of going to the Lifestream like dying aether is supposed to, they went Somewhere Else. So long as they don't go to the lifestream, the can stay alive indefinitely. However, in order to interact with the material world, they do need bodies. So they posses them.

Thanks for expanding what I was getting at with the ascian trick.

Basically being dead isn't a final end to a beings existence. we have seen a number of cases so far and the scions even discuss it when then they come up with a theory to kill Ascians back in the ARR days.

So my thoughts at the time were: future Alphinaud, future Unukalhai, or (since I'd read a rumour/leak claiming the Crystal Tower was going to be involved in 5.0) future G'raha Tia.

And now we have the 5.0 poster, featuring a mysterious hooded figure who (I and some others think) looks an awful lot like G'raha.

There was?

That G'raha Tia ?
The one that put the Crystal Tower to sleep?


The Crystal Tower with a bridge to the 13th shard.

That leak if true lends more credence to interdimensional travel.

Regardless of whether that resemblance is intended, or it's supposed to be a new character entirely, it would be a reasonable possibility that the person on the poster might be behind the mysterious voice.

So you think a 3rd party is using Arbert's voice to do the calling ?
Nothing to say it isn't nothing to say it is at the moment.

That doesn't make mute
-The Calling from the warrior of darkness (Arbert).
being a hint at interdimensional travel. Its still a hint.

[Iscah]

That G'raha Tia ?
The one that put the Crystal Tower to sleep?

The Crystal Tower with a bridge to the 13th shard.

That leak if true lends more credence to interdimensional travel.

Yes, that G'raha Tia.




There's definite potential for the Thirteenth to be a "back door" to interdimensional travel, having got in and out again with our body and soul intact, but if it is indeed G'raha in the poster then time travel seems likely too.

It would probably be the best way to bring him into MSQ without causing timeline issues for anyone who didn't do the raid - introducing a future version of him, released from the tower at some future point.

It also might fit with the voiceover from the trailer asking "how many years have come and gone?" - or, regardless of who it is, it still might fit with the idea of the WoL being pulled through time.

So you think a 3rd party is using Arbert's voice to do the calling ?
Nothing to say it isn't nothing to say it is at the moment.

That doesn't make mute
-The Calling from the warrior of darkness (Arbert).
being a hint at interdimensional travel. Its still a hint.

I don't think it's necessarily Arbert's voice at all, particularly seeing as he's most likely dead.

I usually play with the voices turned off, so I can't judge the similarity myself, but from the discussion around 4.4 and then the 5.0 trailer there isn't a consensus on who the voice sounds like.

So we have the mystery voice who called to us in patch 4.4, and the mystery voice in the trailer who may or may not be the same person. At this point we can't be sure who it is. You can base your theories off who you think it sounds like, but it isn't definite.

[fay2]

Yes, that G'raha Tia.

There's definite potential for the Thirteenth to be a "back door" to interdimensional travel, having got in and out again with our body and soul intact, but if it is indeed G'raha in the poster then time travel seems likely too.

All that can really be said is the robed character is they hold their left hand like a Miqo'te male.
That is quite a stretch alone. I guess it was coupled with the leak?

G'raha Tia is one of the few that can go to the 13th shard without to much risk from the cloud of darkness good character to bring back.

It would probably be the best way to bring him into MSQ without causing timeline issues for anyone who didn't do the raid - introducing a future version of him, released from the tower at some future point.

That easy fixed they just gate a msq with needed to have cleared the crystal tower condition at some point in future msq.
This wouldn't be the 1st time the dev.'s have done that and added a clear non-msq quests to continue msq.

G'raha Tia just put the tower to sleep till someone was able to open the front door again.

You can base your theories off who you think it sounds like, but it isn't definite.

Indeed it's not definite, it remains a hint. Which is how I presentenced it as, but you seem to have miss read/quoted me as saying proof definite for some reason?

[LineageRazor]

Do you have a different option for the who is doing the calling using Arbert's voice?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it the case that English was the ONLY language in which they used Arbert's voice for the calling? It's been a while, but I seem to remember conversation in the forums to that effect.

It could well still be Arbert, but why would they change his voice in the other versions?

It seems to me more likely that if they changed the voice, then the voice is supposed to be a new character - and for the English, they either hired the same guy to voiced Arbert to voice this new character, or hired a new actor whose voice just happens to be similar to his.

I will admit, though, that there's an awful lot of puzzle pieces that click together right if it IS Arbert. Heck, he doesn't even have to be "alive" really. Not everyone in the game returns to the lifestream immediately upon death, even though that's the natural progression - and there's no doubt that Arbert had unfinished business that might be holding his soul back from rest...

[Iscah]

All that can really be said is the robed character is they hold their left hand like a Miqo'te male.
That is quite a stretch alone. I guess it was coupled with the leak?

The leak gave me the idea, but I do think it looks like him. Not just the pose, but they seem to have the same face - as much as you can see of it on the robed figure. Same nose shape, similar lips and chin (which could be down to the exact angle of the shot) and can possibly see the Miqo'te face markings on the edge of the shadow around his eyes. At least it matches the shape, and doesn't make sense as an actual shadow contour on the face.

The colour scheme of the robes also matches G'raha's red/black/white outfit, and while it isn't solid proof, characters are often given consistent colour schemes across multiple costumes. Plus they look like they could be Allagan costume style, which would fit with him being essentially "last of the Allagans" now.

Indeed it's not definite, it remains a hint. Which is how I presentenced it as, but you seem to have miss read/quoted me as saying proof definite for some reason?

Sorry, but every time I've seen you mention it, you phrase it like it's a definite fact that it's Arbert's voice.

(#7) hints wise here is some: -The Calling from the warrior of darkness.

(#31)Do you have a different option for the who is doing the calling using Arbert's voice?

(#34) So you think a 3rd party is using Arbert's voice to do the calling ?

Clearly I don't think it's Arbert's voice doing the calling, so I could only assume that you are fixed on that being a fact - otherwise it wouldn't make sense to ask me to explain how that factors into my idea, or keep asking why someone else is "using Arbert's voice" rather than it simply being someone else's voice.

And I don't regard it a "hint" at dimensional travel while it's still only a possibility that it's Arbert. You can say "if the voice is meant to be Arbert, then that would be a hint at dimensional travel", but you can't at this point say it's a hint - it just has the potential to be one.

A matter of semantics perhaps, but I feel like something has to be a solid fact itself before it can be said it's a hint that something else will happen.

Yoshida wore a Bugs Bunny shirt to Fanfest - that's a fact, and once it happened that was a hint that Viera were coming. But if he'd walked out on stage wearing a jacket and said "guess what picture is on my shirt", that wouldn't itself be a hint. You could make an educated guess that it's something bunny-related (or maybe guns or dancing), but it's not a hint until he reveals what the picture actually is.



Likewise I don't directly consider it a hint that there'll be time travel, just because I think the guy on the poster looks like G'raha. It's just a possibility that fits neatly with several other possibilities that I already had in mind before the poster existed.

As I recall, the first suggestions of time travel were from the game itself, or something close to it - the Caller's words being taken from a time-travel incantation in FF Tactics, the 5.0 trailer's suggestion that "years have come and gone", that past events must be undone and that "history must be unwritten".

Reading back through some earlier conversations I had to re-find that Tactics link, I'm reminded that I only had time travel in mind at that point, and only started wondering about dimensional travel when we'd seen Thancred with Minfilia in the 5.0 trailer.

I think maybe Future Alphinaud or Future Unukalhai were my best picks at that point, but (as I said earlier) there was also the leak mentioning the Crystal Tower, which - whether accurate or not - got me thinking about G'raha as another plausible identity for the voice. Because I already had time travel in mind, that was part of my reasoning - it seems unlikely he would be involved in this story again without time travel being a factor, as it's implied he won't leave the tower for a long time yet. But because I was already thinking about a time-travel plot, it seemed a possibility to keep that fact and still bring him back into the story.

And it's only after I had those those ideas already in mind that they revealed the poster with maybe-G'raha on it.

If it's just me seeing a resemblance that isn't intended, maybe this is just confirmation bias, wanting to see my "wild theory" actually turn out to be the correct answer.

But if it is meant to be him, then it's new evidence that strengthens the support for a theory I already had. And I still think his reappearance as an MSQ character (say, if you said out of the blue "G'raha's coming back into the story, how could you make that work?") would be most plausibly supported by using the pre-established possibility of time travel to get around the issue of him originating in an optional quest.

[castielcampbell]

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I usually play with the voices turned off, so I can't judge the similarity myself, but from the discussion around 4.4 and then the 5.0 trailer there isn't a consensus on who the voice sounds like.

You don't play with voices on , but you don't think it's arbert... dah hell???

we know the 13th is lost to darkness and the 1st is on its way to being lost to light but very little more than that. There are 4 others that are still out there we know nothing about other than they are there.
or at a longer term be used to make mirrored starting zones with flying added or more swimming{seems like less of a problem} and diving. That after another calamity can switch in ?

2+4=6
13-6=7
What about the other seven?

[Iscah]

You don't play with voices on , but you don't think it's arbert... dah hell???

As I said, I can't judge on the voice, but I read a discussion from other people about who it sounded like, and they didn't agree on the answer.

Also, as I said, from a story perspective I don't think it's likely to be Arbert even if it sounds like him. (And if I did think it sounds like him, I still wouldn't consider it a certainty. I don't consider the robed figure's identity a certainty either, and wouldn't state it as fact, as much as I'm personally fairly sure of it.)