Gender locked race?

[Wolfyboy]

I see no reason to be grateful for getting the opposite of what I want out of the game. Me being honest about my opinions is not the same thing as being toxic. SE, if you see this and give us Hrothgar instead of male Viera, I won't come back to FFXIV and you'll lose my support for 2 years until the next expansion after Shadowbringers comes out.

I feel that you're in the right to do so. I do find the comment about bringing rage and pitch forks at the developers to be extreme though. Square honestly has lost quite a bit of subscription time from me because I felt I rather play WoW with plenty of race choices that I like then FFXIV with no races I've grown attached too (Yes, even Roe), if BfA wasn't my cup of tea I'd be still playing WoW right now as my main game.

[Serenno]

Uh-huh, sure. I hate Au Ra (more so because of the concept art where they looked way more interesting) and Viera (been against them for longer than Au Ra), yet here I am. Still playing this game. I've probably made threats of unsubbing if I didn't get what I wanted, but clearly that was a lie (I've learned to deal with the fact that if I want to play as something that isn't a human, I'll have to wait for SE to release beastmen/monster glamours that aren't joke glamours).

Only time I ever stopped subbing to this game was when I got bored.

Eh, I don't think it's fair to bring up your own anecdote in an attempt to minimize his own feelings/opinions about this. I'm on the same boat that I would be upset if SE decides to not give us male Viera and go the gender-lock route, but I don't exactly agree with the whole "pitchforks and rage" sentiment. He's entirely in his right to unsub if he wants to.

[Gwenorai]

Eh, I mean pitchforks and all that will happen regardless.
Though if we want to get anywhere with them - if there is a gender lock of course - we just start a thread, give support and do it in a manner that is both respectful and insightful. I won't unsub if we don't get Viera; I'll be disappointed but I'll still play and just stick as Hyur, or fantasia if Hrothgar looks acceptable.

I will still give support for male Viera and ask for it to be added; I might complain if the story in the Greatwood area is hindered by the lack of their guardians, but that's for reviews. They've listened before regarding genderlocks, I'm hopeful and optimistic they'll listen this time to add them in - even if it's extremely late. Though I hope it doesn't come to this.

In the end, I'm using this thread to vent and speculate; I find it fun.

So, as I will do what we English are known for. Write a well thought out polite letter - in this case, a thread or a response to one already made - and hope they take note. xD -shrug-

[ErysNight]

I feel that you're in the right to do so. I do find the comment about bringing rage and pitch forks at the developers to be extreme though. Square honestly has lost quite a bit of subscription time from me because I felt I rather play WoW with plenty of race choices that I like then FFXIV with no races I've grown attached too (Yes, even Roe), if BfA wasn't my cup of tea I'd be still playing WoW right now as my main game.

Honestly, that's how it's supposed to be. I've felt/done similarly when there was a lull in FFXIV and other services were better at the moment. I really really didn't like HW but I figured a setting would come around that I did like so I stuck it out. I didn't throw tantrums but that's exactly how it's supposed to go. If you don't like it, move on.

These developers are real people. Like flesh and blood people slaving away to make this experience for us. The pattern of a small vocal minority getting on the OF and demanding blood when they don't get exactly what they want is insanity. There is no empathy or compassion here. I bet if people made a respectful petition over the course of Shadowbringers to get male viera and had like player "Signatures" in the form of decent comments asking for it, SE would have caved. There is case after case of them giving the players what they want and actually listening to us. But to jump off this deep end? And lash out at the team that works around the clock for us?

Disgusting. That behavior is disgusting.

I am firmly in the "don't care either way camp" but until today I've been documented saying I think it would be silly not to have male viera just on principle. But now? Nah.

[Nestama]

Eh, I don't think it's fair to bring up your own anecdote in an attempt to minimize his own feelings/opinions about this. I'm on the same boat that I would be upset if SE decides to not give us male Viera and go the gender-lock route, but I don't exactly agree with the whole "pitchforks and rage" sentiment. He's entirely in his right to unsub if he wants to.

It's more of a "I find it hard to believe you would unsub from this game unless you're bored of it, or disagree with the gameplay changes SE make" (PvP being one example). Unsubbing because a race won't have a male version is silly to me, especially if you like everything else about the game (assuming he still enjoys the game and no male Viera is the only reason he would unsub).

[Serenno]

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100% Agreed. I'll be heavily disappointed if they decide to go the genderlock route and in doing so completely write out a whole gender of a race whose home we're going to be visiting. On both principle and the fact that that part of the story might take a bit of a hit depending on how they handle that..but regardless I want to trust in SE that they made (or will make) these choices with their playerbase (and their requests) in mind.

[redcurrant18]

It's more of a "I find it hard to believe you would unsub from this game unless you're bored of it, or disagree with the gameplay changes SE make" (PvP being one example). Unsubbing because a race won't have a male version is silly to me, especially if you like everything else about the game (assuming he still enjoys the game and no male Viera is the only reason he would unsub).

Nope. Male Viera or I leave. Race customization matters differently to everyone and I hope that at some point you eventually do get your beastman race, but right now the focus needs to be on releasing Viera without a genderlock. That's the major thing attracting me about this expansion and failing to deliver that means I'm putting this game on hold, since it wouldn't be different from other mmorpgs that genderlock key things like races and classes.

[Lacan]

I had a whole paragraph typed more, but am deleting it because I mean... there is no reason why the dev team wouldn't tell us about Male Viera at EU fanfest if a whole second race was coming in Japan. Logically it wouldn't make sense to have all these angry bunnybois considering I'm sure they see this small vocal minority (Most of the guys in this game play girl characters btw) and would want to avoid that ire. There is even an article from 6 years ago saying that male bunnybois would be weird. So I feel 99% certain there are no male viera coming.
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I think you're being nasty here for no reason. Did you ever consider that female viera are just further along development wise because they needed to get the model ready for Fran, and that is why they didn't show the men yet? And when asked about male viera, we were told to wait for Japanese fanfest. There was no dismissal. If they knew we weren't going to get male viera they would have said something to that effect when they showed the female viera.

Not to mention they have already given us lore for the m viera. They could have just as easily made viera a female only race like the galka from FF 11, but they didn't. They made a point to explain the role of men in viera society. If they thought "male bunnybois" were too weird to include, they wouldn't have worked them into the game at all.

I think we're getting male viera regardless, the question is just a matter of when. That's why hrothgar have made the situation so confusing.

[Tsumdere]

Eh, I mean pitchforks and all that will happen regardless.
Though if we want to get anywhere with them - if there is a gender lock of course - we just start a thread, give support and do it in a manner that is both respectful and insightful. I won't unsub if we don't get Viera; I'll be disappointed but I'll still play and just stick as Hyur, or fantasia if Hrothgar looks acceptable.

I think this is most people here. I'm not known for using kind words as I always sound more heated than I really am, but really I'm not so incensed I'm going to drop my sub and demand Yoshi-P lick my boots. I would be very disappointed in him, as more evidence stacks up that he can't separate business from his personal taste (that "weird" bunny comment really gets to me), but I still really admire the man and his creative team.

I'm so excited for Shadowbringers. I love female Viera. I'm sure I will love Hrothgar (provided they aren't just Miqo'te with bigger muscles). I play the game for more than my character's looks, but that is still a very important part of the game for me. I'm still allowed to express my distaste for gender-locks on anything and any race.

[cicatriz313]

I think you're being nasty here for no reason. Did you ever consider that female viera are just further along development wise because they needed to get the model ready for Fran, and that is why they didn't show the men yet? And when asked about male viera, we were told to wait for Japanese fanfest. There was no dismissal. If they knew we weren't going to get male viera they would have said something to that effect when they showed the female viera.

Not to mention they have already given us lore for the m viera. They could have just as easily made viera a female only race like the galka from FF 11, but they didn't. They made a point to explain the role of men in viera society.

I think we're getting male viera regardless, the question is just a matter of when. That's why hrothgar have made the situation so confusing.

Lol, nothing nasty about being truthful. Your line of thinking is just as backwards as everyone else who is praying for male Viera. There's no way they're so far behind in development when it is being released in June that they couldn't show ANYTHING or say ANYTHING when it came to them. Yoshi was being purposefully coy about waiting for the JP fanfest because he's always coy about things. The lore thing definitely leads to the hint that they're LESS likely to be made a playable race than more. We might get male Viera at some point, but I honestly think anyone who is looking with clear eyes and not hopefuly eyes sees that the clues point to a certain conclusion. And to spell it out, it's that they aren't making male Viera for 5.0.