Gender locked race?

[Shougun]

I'm not so secretly in favour of something like this:





It's not a far cry from the older concept art.

Assuming the lion thing is real and we get both genders, I feel like something sort of like this would be true (at least one of the face options).

I mean can you imagine them making two whole races and make the male viera dimorphic on top of that?

SE: Hi yes, its so hard to make a race
Us: O-okay.. what can we expect?
SE: Two dimorphic races, so basically four races- yes. Please look forward to it.
O_O

I'll chip in a vote for male viera if they're not added in shadowbringers, even if I die in love with the lion race (hopefully it's a thing lol). In general its been pretty great fun to talk about even if I doubt I'd want to wear bunny ears myself (although if they had an option to lay them down like we've discussed 1,000 pages ago.. maybe I would haha).

[wereotter]

Not sure if this has been posted, but I haven't seen it when looking through the pages, so....



interesting thing here if you can wade through the code of the French language scripts, you can see that the game is coded to recognize male AND female players of Viera and the leaked Hrothgar races. This could potentially mean that both races are getting both sexes.

Edit: removed image so as not to risk thread deletion. Trust me, it's there.

[Colino]

What did they do to make you dislike them? It's one thing to have preferences, but "disliking" them implies more than a preference.

It doesn't really. Disliking something means just that, not liking it. That doesn't mean hating or being afraid of it which is what a phobia is. People can feel more than 0% or 100% about something, you can feel "meh" or in-between about something and just not care or "like" it. I'd personally feel the same about bunny boys but at the same time I'm completely impartial and don't care because people can like what they like even when I don't and it wouldn't affect me since I'm unlikely to change from lalafell after 8+ years anyway. Anyway sorry to bring that back up.

I quite like some of the designs that were posted here, I definitely see the case for the burly bunny-men too. If lion-people are true they could go both ways and try to please everyone right?

[Roda]

Sounds more like a dislike of feminine men than homophobia, as such.

There's a word for that, but currently it's one of the big sore spots to poke for flame wars on the internet right now, so I'm going to avoid using it to save this thread from a shouting contest and potential moderator action. =.=

That being said, the consideration and accommodation of one person's tastes does not have to nullify the chance at another person getting their wishes fulfilled.

Roda wants this


as much as she wants this


But with Viera officially confirmed, I'm going to continue to push that they should finish that race before they even think about introducing another race.
And since Au Ra were introduced with.... disarming dimorphism for the females as compared to the males, I'm going to be firmly in the camp of the Viera males should at least be shorter (not girlier, not childish or boyish, but shorter) to 1, add some uniqueness to the race as a whole since no other race in xiv has that specific dimorphism (I'd also enjoy it if the females got all the vibrant hair colors taken from their initial creation pallet, and the males got all the dull hair colors taken from theirs to suggest a bird-like dimorphism too. Aestetistician can restore the usual colors with dyes) and 2, to kind of balance out what each gender gets since, Au Ra gave the males 1 more tall race, and the females 1 more short race. With tall viera females, and small viera males we'd at least all be on the same footing again.

I'll be able to critique more on the mystery race when it's more than vague leaks and old localization beta text bugs.

[Shougun]

Not sure if this has been posted

The forum masters have been really nice to let us go on with the information we have so far but I /highly/ recommend you remove that image because that might be the straw the pissed off our lords lol.

Roda wants this
as much as she wants this

Haha I had to re-read your name tag, I wasn't prepared for the third person XD. Since we heard "lion-like" close to "ronso" but not quite, I really wonder if that's like those pictures but "doesn't have a horn and is maybe not blue" .

[Rokke]

It's not a far cry from the older concept art.

While there are some that want the small varied for guys like an inverse Au Ra, for the most part fanart that followed the female confirmation has been close to the art you posted: tall & handsome without tilting too much to kawaii uguu or hyper masc. I LOVE that 1st artwork especially because it shows that they could totally have a matching starter outfit that highlights what makes a male body sexy without it being camp and/or an awkward copy of the female set.

interesting thing here if you can wade through the code of the French language scripts, you can see that the game is coded to recognize male AND female players of Viera and the leaked Hrothgar races. This could potentially mean that both races are getting both sexes.

While I don't really expect it at this point, I am hoping that is the case. If these are going to be our final races I'd like them to be complete packages.

[Metsonm]

Balanced is pretty subjective though. Balanced by what metric? We've seen how diverse in appearance people have desires for regarding just male viera, some want buff masculine viera, some want petite effeminate viera, some want tiny cute viera.

There's plenty of metrics that would still be balanced if two genderlocked races were introduced as well.

There's nothing that can be done with a previously unseen, male-only lion race that can not be done with previously unseen male Viera. Other than opening the floodgates for calls to fill out the now missing counterparts.

I can't see any sensible reason to add two half-done races instead of a completely done one, other than to get a foot in the door for doing them later, which they have the ability to do anyway because they're the devs.

[Roda]

Haha I had to re-read your name tag, I wasn't prepared for the third person XD. Since we heard "lion-like" close to "ronso" but not quite, I really wonder if that's like those pictures but "doesn't have a horn and is maybe not blue" lol.

Sorry, it's not something i usually do, meant it to kinda convey the intensity of me desires X_X
and I hope they keep the horn if they really do ronso! Maybe even give the females a smaller horn! I really like those kinds of sexual dimorphisms in fantasy races. (see the Charr in GW2, where the males have these huge, crazy horns and tusks, while females have smaller, more functional horns and fangs. suggesting that the males' features are more used for sexy display than any actual defense. It's subtle race lore that isn't just slapped on because it's stereotypical to the gender, but because the designers actually thought about it!)

While there are some that want the small varied for guys like an inverse Au Ra, for the most part fanart that followed the female confirmation has been close to the art you posted: tall & handsome without tilting too much to kawaii uguu or hyper masc. I LOVE that 1st artwork especially because it shows that they could totally have a matching starter outfit that highlights what makes a male body sexy without it being camp and/or an awkward copy of the female set.



While I don't really expect it at this point, I am hoping that is the case. If these are going to be our final races I'd like them to be complete packages.

If you look at the old concept art (the one i've posted probably like 4 times in this thread by now @@;;; ) you'll notice that they are actually shorter! Not as much as the Au Ra of course (because that height difference is hella weird and I hate it) but they're about a half a head shorter than the female in the picture.
#teamshortervieramalesbutstillhavethemtallenoughtobeleggytoughbois

[Shougun]

If you look at the old concept art (the one i've posted probably like 4 times in this thread by now @@;;; ) you'll notice that they are actually shorter! Not as much as the Au Ra of course (because that height difference is hella weird and I hate it) but they're about a half a head shorter than the female in the picture.
#teamshortervieramalesbutstillhavethemtallenoughtobeleggytoughbois

Obviously I don't know what would happen but if say they had a height slider that went short enough what that be good? In that way the males and females might have closer min/max but both reach up and down in larger variance than other races might.

Also I wonder if players can control their heel height too or if that's set in stone. Short, high heeled, bunnyfu lol.

Sorry, it's not something i usually do, meant it to kinda convey the intensity of me desires X_X
and I hope they keep the horn if they really do ronso! Maybe even give the females a smaller horn! I really like those kinds of sexual dimorphisms in fantasy races. (see the Charr in GW2, where the males have these huge, crazy horns and tusks, while females have smaller, more functional horns and fangs. suggesting that the males' features are more used for sexy display than any actual defense. It's subtle race lore that isn't just slapped on because it's stereotypical to the gender, but because the designers actually thought about it!)

No need to be sorry !! It just caught me off guard lol. I respect your intensity, and.. I also.. really.. want.. the horn.. like I think I'll be happy without it but the horn is pretty awesome. Also I'd get behind some sexy display horns - the chest area for males haha. Sir, do those give you a headache? Gotta max slider the horns, NPC Ronso will reference you with pity or reverence based on the size of your horns XD.

[Daralii]

If you look at the old concept art (the one i've posted probably like 4 times in this thread by now @@;;; ) you'll notice that they are actually shorter! Not as much as the Au Ra of course (because that height difference is hella weird and I hate it) but they're about a half a head shorter than the female in the picture.
#teamshortervieramalesbutstillhavethemtallenoughtobeleggytoughbois

Male rabbits are smaller than female rabbits in real life. It would be appropriate.

Anyway, hrothgar being in the strings before viera is the note of potential interest, as it suggests they were being worked on(at least on some level) between au ra and viera. It's entirely possible that they've just been getting worked on as a side project for 4-5 years. That would easily allow for the artist time needed for two races with both genders. Hell, they could've been cut content for Stormblood.