Should they remove positionals at this point?

[Jijifli]

Except that it's not. It's not a bonus if it's expected and planned around. As the game works right now, hitting positionals doesn't give you extra damage, missing them gives you reduced damage. That's the difference.

It's like saying there's no reward for keeping your GCD going, but there's a punishment for pausing.

It's the same example actually. Waiting an extra second in your gcd makes you do less dps, but it's planned around you keeping the gcd going.

So do you want the game to play itself to fix that?

[DuskTS]

Please look forward to it in the expansion.

[AxlStream]

Yes...and positionals only makes this harder.

Oh please. It's easy as long as you pay attention. Positionals are the only way to currently distinguish high tier DPS players.

[Gralna]

Except that it's not. It's not a bonus if it's expected and planned around. As the game works right now, hitting positionals doesn't give you extra damage, missing them gives you reduced damage. That's the difference.

That's a non-argument though, same as saying a glass is half empty or half full, both are right and wrong at the same time. From tooltip on skills though landing positional does give a bonus to dmg, however as a playerbase you could look at it as a potency penalty for not hitting it, It's an argument that can't be argued.

[Gumpy]

I'm not sure you understand what 'objective' means.

Dunno about you, but I used in a context where it makes sense. As it is an objective fact that melee with less to keep track of would be objectively worse.

You wot? Its more like these jobs are really easy to squeeze out DPS out of and are safe. Unlike melee who will have to dodge mechanics most of the time which sacrifices uptime.

Yes...and positionals only makes this harder.

Oh no it's a mechanic that makes the game harder and rewards better play, better remove it so bad players can feel better about themselves!

[Nora_of_Mira]

Oh no it's a mechanic that makes the game harder and rewards better play, better remove it so bad players can feel better about themselves!

I had a very bottled experience last night in Snek Boi Extreme that really shows why positionals matter. Our raid DPS was JUST on the cusp of clearing the fight to the point if we had 1-2 deaths we would've lost to the enrage. Seeing this, the DPS boost from trying harder to hit my positionals (and take some vuln stacks) was literally the difference between clearing or not. Under different circumstances where our raid DPS was a lot higher, you can argue it doesnt matter, but in certain group compositions its actually vital to success.

i purposely only stick to melee jobs because of positionals, I find everything else too boring as they don't keep me on my toes enough.

[Nedkel]

You could play other class if you dont like it.

Removing it will make these classes more boring to play as right now you have to do a lot of moving to make it working, and its not like they are underperforming in any way because of it, hell dragoon and monks are doing massive damage when they get to the back of the enemy.
Those classes are absolutely fine and their DPS is good, especially samurai is top 3 best dpsing class in the game according to fflogs.

Stop asking to make this game easier to play because you cant adjust to it or dont like it, you are asking to redo the class because you find it hard to execute mechanics and position yourself well in just one part of the content you play, thats absurd, how do you know the raids will always be like this and not different or easier in the future? Adjusting class to the content that will go away as a irrelevant, thats a recipe for a bad design right there.
Do you want this game to die off like WoW is now? They also deleted a lot of exclusive stuff from each class, and look how it hurt the game.
Following this logic I could also ask for enmity system being completely removed, because its just a struggle for me playing a tank, so why not? Whye mobs dont just focus on me when im standing still watching anime on the second window? gg

[Brightamethyst]

Dunno about you, but I used in a context where it makes sense. As it is an objective fact that melee with less to keep track of would be objectively worse.

Pretty sure that's an opinion, not a fact.

[Kaonis]

Oh please. It's easy as long as you pay attention. Positionals are the only way to currently distinguish high tier DPS players.

That is factual wrong though. Melee DPS have uptime to consider (trying to minimize GCD loss when having to move/get away for AoEs or mechanics), oGCD weaving so as to not clip GCDs, planning out CD usage to line up with your rotation/fight mechanics/raid buffs to maximize DPS.

There is a ton of far more interesting ways for a DPS to squeeze out their DPS. Positionals are just one way that doesn't mesh well with most of the fight designs and depending on the fight you can miss out on the positional damage at no fault of your own.

[Nora_of_Mira]

Positionals are just one way that doesn't mesh well with most of the fight designs and depending on the fight you can miss out on the positional damage at no fault of your own.

IMO, that's why I think they reduced the penalty for missing your positional and why they reduced the CD for True North (LONG OVERDUE BTW). As for "it doesnt mesh well", I mean, thats really fight dependent but no fight so far has felt unfair in positionals. Even in o11s, you have time to hit positionals during starboard/larboard. I find o12s extremely punishing bc so many mechanics box you into these immovable pockets of safety....but I guess that's why its the toughest fight of the raid?