Should they remove positionals at this point?

[Vahlnir]

Positionals should be in the game, anyone thinks otherwise is objectively wrong.

I don't mind having positionals but I'm gonna have to stop you right here. They don't have to be in the game imo. In fact they could be taken out tomorrow and it wouldn't make much difference. Heck, ranged jobs don't really have them at all. Some fights don't even require them. We still have our rotations though which can be simple or complex depending on the job and is more than enough. You are free to have your opinion but just because people disagree with it doesn't mean they're wrong.

[Gumpy]

They don't have to be in the game imo. In fact they could be taken out tomorrow and it wouldn't make much difference. Heck, ranged jobs don't really have them at all. Some fights don't even require them. We still have our rotations though which can be simple or complex depending on the job and is more than enough.

Ignore the rest of my post, but ok you do you. Ranged jobs with positionals would be aids. Positionals to some extent are part of the rotation and should be planned around.

You are free to have your opinion but just because people disagree with it doesn't mean they're wrong.

People who believe the earth is flat have an opinion too, doesn't mean they're right.

[Brightamethyst]

Positionals should be in the game, anyone thinks otherwise is objectively wrong.

I'm not sure you understand what 'objective' means.

[Gumpy]

I'm not sure you understand what 'objective' means.

Dunno about you, but I used in a context where it makes sense. As it is an objective fact that melee with less to keep track of would be objectively worse.

You wot? Its more like these jobs are really easy to squeeze out DPS out of and are safe. Unlike melee who will have to dodge mechanics most of the time which sacrifices uptime.

Yes...and positionals only makes this harder.

Oh no it's a mechanic that makes the game harder and rewards better play, better remove it so bad players can feel better about themselves!

[Nora_of_Mira]

Oh no it's a mechanic that makes the game harder and rewards better play, better remove it so bad players can feel better about themselves!

I had a very bottled experience last night in Snek Boi Extreme that really shows why positionals matter. Our raid DPS was JUST on the cusp of clearing the fight to the point if we had 1-2 deaths we would've lost to the enrage. Seeing this, the DPS boost from trying harder to hit my positionals (and take some vuln stacks) was literally the difference between clearing or not. Under different circumstances where our raid DPS was a lot higher, you can argue it doesnt matter, but in certain group compositions its actually vital to success.

i purposely only stick to melee jobs because of positionals, I find everything else too boring as they don't keep me on my toes enough.

[Brightamethyst]

Dunno about you, but I used in a context where it makes sense. As it is an objective fact that melee with less to keep track of would be objectively worse.

Pretty sure that's an opinion, not a fact.

[Connor]

The most popular job right now from what I’ve seen is Bard, followed closed by Red Mage. I think it’s telling that the most popular DPS jobs are the ones that have no positional requirements whatsoever and simple, easy rotations (Bard technically doesn’t even have a standard rotation).

I think that if melee didn’t have positional, the gap between ranged and melee would become smaller.

[Kallera]

Get rid of the positionals, please, they have been such a pain around larger bosses.

[Gumpy]

Get rid of the positionals, please, they have been such a pain around larger bosses.

Ah yes, size makes a massive difference.

[kite384]

But positionals are fun