Elitist behaviour in dungeons: [venting]

[Ilan]

Oh yes I agree that it's a good idea to communicate, encourage and give advice. But, at the same time, if the tank has stopped with a small pull, and there are enemies nearby that the healer can easily add to the group without causing any threat to anyone, I don't see any harm in it. On the contrary, I would view it as good team work (yes, even if I would be the one tanking).

Then it's another matter, in my opinion, if the healer (or anyone else) is sprinting ahead of the tank and making the pulls in the first place.



Apart from some leveling dungeon pulls, the incoming damage from 1 group of monsters is negligible and doesn't require any management from the tank nor the healer in dungeons (and, additionally, resource-wise - meaning cooldowns, MP, and TP - it is generally also more effective to pull larger groups of enemies than small ones). I would also argue that dodging AoEs while pulling and tanking is something you should learn way before you encounter a situation in which your group wishes you to pull more than one group at a time. Or at least I was thinking of level 50 and up dungeons writing my reply, not Sastasha.

The point is that it won't stop by just pulling a few mobs extra, people tend to get hostile torwards the new tanks most of the time if they are impacient and pull mobs extra. I mean sure communication is the key here but we all know that there are enough new and old players that straight up refuse to communicate.

But lets pretend for a moment that we have a new player in a dungeon, who plays his first mmo and doesn't have any experience and is pretty nervous. He ends up in a party with the average DF dps and healer and one of them decides to pull extra and our new player starts to panic because he is not used to pull that much and doesn't feel comfortable with the whole situation, the person that pulled extra dies and starts blaming and flaming the tank for his/her mistake. It doesn't hurt to take it a bit slower if the tank is not comfortable with pulling big even if its sometimes a bit annoying.

[Taika]

In this case, the healer's teamwork is to DPS (to make sure that the mobs are dead earlier) while the tank doesn't need heals, not pull for him. If I'm tanking and the healer/DPS does that, I would shirk him and just DPS all the way. If he wants to tank, I won't be on his way.

Oh whoa, talk about "elitist" and "toxic" behaviour. I have occasionally pulled some extra monsters to the group as a healer. In these cases, I have pulled them directly to the tank, Holy stunned them right away, reduced my own enmity and helped burn them down while keeping myself and everyone else alive. Usually it has made the tank pull more the next round. No one has asked me to stop, but if that had happened, I of course would have. And luckily no one has followed your example in being spiteful about it either.

The point is that it won't stop by just pulling a few mobs extra, people tend to get hostile torwards the new tanks most of the time if they are impacient and pull mobs extra. I mean sure communication is the key here but we all know that there are enough new and old players that straight up refuse to communicate.

But lets pretend for a moment that we have a new player in a dungeon, who plays his first mmo and doesn't have any experience and is pretty nervous. He ends up in a party with the average DF dps and healer and one of them decides to pull extra and our new player starts to panic because he is not used to pull that much and doesn't feel comfortable with the whole situation, the person that pulled extra dies and starts blaming and flaming the tank for his/her mistake. It doesn't hurt to take it a bit slower if the tank is not comfortable with pulling big even if its sometimes a bit annoying.

No one here is condoning blaming and flaming though. Everyone is a member of the same team and communication goes both ways.

[Ilan]

Oh whoa, talk about "elitist" and "toxic" behaviour. I have occasionally pulled some extra monsters to the group as a healer. In these cases, I have pulled them directly to the tank, Holy stunned them right away, reduced my own enmity and helped burn them down while keeping myself and everyone else alive. Usually it has made the tank pull more the next round. No one has asked me to stop, but if that had happened, I of course would have. And luckily no one has followed your example in being spiteful about it either.


No one here is condoning blaming and flaming though. Everyone is a member of the same team and communication goes both ways.

Flaming happens most of the time with the people who pull more, weirdly enough. Everyone is a member of the team, thats true but people don't act like that most of the time.

[miraidensetsu]

Oh whoa, talk about "elitist" and "toxic" behaviour. I have occasionally pulled some extra monsters to the group as a healer. In these cases, I have pulled them directly to the tank, Holy stunned them right away, reduced my own enmity and helped burn them down while keeping myself and everyone else alive. Usually it has made the tank pull more the next round. No one has asked me to stop, but if that had happened, I of course would have. And luckily no one has followed your example in being spiteful about it either.

I've never done that. But I've saw over this forum and Reddit several cases of tank mains shirking someone who likes to pull for the tank. And if you die, it's on you.

No one here is condoning blaming and flaming though. Everyone is a member of the same team and communication goes both ways.

Everyone is a member of the same team. But, if you fail to consider the group's dynamics or to communicate with the tank, the falt is all yours.

[ServerCollaps]

Everyone is a member of the same team. But, if you fail to consider the group's dynamics or to communicate with the tank, the falt is all yours.

except the tank only talks french/german and wont listen to any other language, welcome to european datacenters