Elitist behaviour in dungeons: [venting]

[Bright-Flower]

There's a balance to things I think.

When you enter DF, you accept the possibility that some people may not be the best. Form a PF group or run with friends if you can't handle that.

On the other hand, you owe the group an honest effort. By level 70 you should know the basics of your job. You should know how to aoe, you should know your basic rotation for bosses.

Basically, you need to accept that not everyone is perfect, but at the same time you need to give an honest effort and not just try to drift by getting carried.

[Misurugi]

I'm just going to add my 2 cents in here.. you've got the classifications of different types of players..

The Elitist, players whom knows they are good and will show off and prove it. They can be nice, silent, or jackasses.

The Mentor, players whom are knowledgeable and skilled and are willing to assist other players.

The Newb. Players whom are new to content and have very little skill/knowledge.

Then there is the Noob. players whom believes they have all that and a bag of chips.

Patience is a virtue, I've been in every role. Every so often i take a brake from a game... i come back have to dust the rust off, as a tank. I pull slow to get into the rhythm/ see how skilled the healer is. And if I see the healer is dpsing more then healing... I pull more. As a healer. If I see that the tank is moving slow, I make a comment go as fast as you need to. I don't pull extra... i hate that as a tank, why would I do that to other ppl? There's a reason a tank pulls slowly. A they aren't sure about how much dmg they are capable of taking, B they don't know how skilled the healer is.. and C, they aren't sure as to what they are doing... I've seen tanks at 70 who think they can pull big and get wasted in the blink of an eye. As a tank. I want to make sure I know I have complete control of the mobs. Someone pulls more and drags them over. chances are... I stopped at that many because A, I'm out of buffs and know I'll get hit far harder then I can take before a buff comes back, thus a wipe. Which has happened. B I'm at my limit, or C, that's all I'm comfortable with.

Tl;Dr. Chill, relax, play the game, and have fun your way. With out intentionally impeding the fun of others

[FFgame]

Nope, don't care. Pull big or go home.

70 level dungeons isn't the learning process, it's the exam. 90% of tanks pass.

[DamianFatale]

Dungeons are not EX, Raids, Ranked PVP, Savage, or Ultimate content. You want to be a big boy/girl, then go prove it in hard content.

[DamianFatale]

Nope, don't care. Pull big or go home.

70 level dungeons isn't the learning process, it's the exam. 90% of tanks pass.

Ask the healer first.

[Xtrasweettea]

Ask the healer first.

It is socially implied that the "tens" dungeons (50s/60s, 70s, and Expert) are all big pull (at least 2x packs or to first barrier, minimal). If a healer doesn't want big pulls, the healer needs to state that up front prior to first pull. The healer is the one who is going against the socially implied norm.

[ElroyDrundan]

It is socially implied that the "tens" dungeons (50s/60s, 70s, and Expert) are all big pull (at least 2x packs or to first barrier, minimal). If a healer doesn't want big pulls, the healer needs to state that up front prior to first pull. The healer is the one who is going against the socially implied norm.

The exception to this is gearing, I've had some tanks try and do the huge pulls with crap gear, probably just recently hit 50/60 etc. It either didn't go well or it was actually slower as I couldn't dps much and was just doing everything to keep them alive.

I love the big pulls, dpsing as much as I possibly can while keeping the tank alive. Just recently I had a Burn group, tank wasn't super geared but not horrible. He pulled one group at at time, it was slower, but mostly it was just boring.

Interestingly enough it was only about 6ish mins slower for the total dungeon run. What I realized then was it was just as much about the fun as it was the time.

That said it certainly wasn't worth throwing a fit or really even making a comment, we (me and the two dps, just did what we do, just not quite so much as we normally do

[Xtrasweettea]

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Which tanks who do not feel their gear will allow big pulls to safely happen, need to share with the group prior to the first pull, since the tank will be going against the implied social norm.

Any exception to the implied social norm needs to be shared by the group prior to the first pull so expectation can be set. Most toxicity I run into is caused by unaligned expectations between members.

[Starflake]

Ask the healer first.

In what world does this fella live in? We are talking about level 70 dungeons. I use healer most of the time in experts and even with the worst tanks I can dish out quite a lot of DPS. Big packs in level 70 content are not scary, they are the norm, especially in expert. It's not unreasonable to start from the point of expecting basic competence. Ask first he says. My lord have mercy.

[Rawry]

Ask the healer first.

Or at least have the gear to be able to take the hits. Love when the tank has crap gear but blames me when I cant heal them through 15 mobs. -_-