White Raven earring given out at The Rising event 2018

[Theodric]

Nael wasn't removed from the game for very long. Nael was added as a fight back in ARR and was roughly the same in terms of difficult as the 1.0 fight.

So I'm not really sure why there's this weird push to act like players don't deserve the earrings when anyone who has played this game for any length of time has very likely beat numerous bosses that were equal to or harder than Nael's 1.0 battle.

[Tiraelina]

The way I see it, exclusivity in a game is really dumb. It's just pixels - it has no actual value. The value you're supposed to get from the game is if you enjoyed <insert content>. In this case, these White Raven Earrings - nothing is detracting from the sentimental value you might have garnered from receiving them if you had played 1.0 and earned them. However, they are still just pixels that can poof at any moment along with the game. Husband argues as long as it has game play value, then it shouldn't be just given out (in which these earrings offer none - just as ultimate won't come the next expansion and SB instances become enabled for unsync).

Yet if they are just pixels and have no value, why would anyone care if they were unobtainable? This argument comes up way too many times. They obviously hold value, it's being purposefully misleading.

We could all unknowingly be wiped out within the hour by a space-born object. Does that somehow detract from the Iron Ring's meaning before then? It is just a piece of metal after all? No, it doesn't.

Nael wasn't removed from the game for very long. Nael was added as a fight back in ARR and was roughly the same in terms of difficult as the 1.0 fight.

So I'm not really sure why there's this weird push to act like players don't deserve the earrings when anyone who has played this game for any length of time has very likely beat numerous bosses that were equal to or harder than Nael's 1.0 battle.

You tell us. Why does anyone that wasn't there desperately need someone else's exclusive-to-that-time memento? You didn't like the game at that time so didn't play to get it yourself? Get over it and deal with your Green Envy NM. Why do you or anyone else keep giving disingenuous developers a free pass?

[Theodric]

You tell us. Why does anyone that wasn't there desperately need someone else's exclusive-to-that-time memento? You didn't like the game at that time so didn't play to get it yourself? Get over it and deal with your Green Envy NM. Why do you or anyone else keep giving disingenuous developers a free pass?

Nobody 'desperately' needs it. It's just a neat thing to add to the game now that the original players who had the items in question gathering dust have had five years of exclusivity. Those who feel as if it is a bitter betrayal are free to leave the game - though they don't appear to be willing to put their money where their mouths are.

Making it out as if the developers are the bad guys is dishonest, too. Everybody agreed to the Terms of Service that specifically state that the game can and will change on a whim.

[Tiraelina]

Nobody 'desperately' needs it. It's just a neat thing to add to the game now that the original players who had the items in question gathering dust have had five years of exclusivity. Those who feel as if it is a bitter betrayal are free to leave the game - though they don't appear to be willing to put their money where their mouths are.

Making it out as if the developers are the bad guys is dishonest, too. Everybody agreed to the Terms of Service that specifically state that the game can and will change on a whim.

It's age or how many are left using it is irrelevant. They already did put their money where their mouth was, by getting it in 1.0. The ToS isn't the get out of jail free card you've been trying to make it out as either. It's not going to protect your credibility if you refuse to be accountable to your statements.

[Theodric]

It's age or how many are left using it is irrelevant. They already did put their money where their mouth was, by getting it in 1.0. The ToS isn't the get out of jail free card you've been trying to make it out as either. It's not going to protect your credibility if you refuse to be accountable to your statements.

It's not irrelevant. The Terms of Conditions state clearly that the game can and will change at the whim of the developers. Clearing a specific fight five years ago really isn't some sort of amazing feat. Quite a few 1.0 players have popped up in this very thread to state that they don't mind the items being added. So it's not as if there's a specific consensus on the matter.

The entire thing is being blown out of proportion. It was a minor feat in a game that had to be shut down and relaunched. Nowadays, the current game is what is most important - and it's time for older players to pass the torch to the next generation.

[Yoruichi4478]

It's not irrelevant. The Terms of Conditions state clearly that the game can and will change at the whim of the developers. Clearing a specific fight five years ago really isn't some sort of amazing feat. Quite a few 1.0 players have popped up in this very thread to state that they don't mind the items being added. So it's not as if there's a specific consensus on the matter.

The entire thing is being blown out of proportion. It was a minor feat in a game that had to be shut down and relaunched. Nowadays, the current game is what is most important - and it's time for older players to pass the torch to the next generation.

Minor feat my foot. It was the hardest fight in that game at that time, consider it that version's Ultimate fight, taking into account the battle arena was multi-story, you had to use a crafted item to survive his first attack, farm the mats to make it first and gods forbid, read the battle log to see what move was coming next, because no telegraphs to show area of effect on attacks, no dodging boundaries lit up like what we have with ARR and beyond. I love how ppl who never experienced 1.0, it's battle system (and as that evolved), the server latency (all the servers were in Japan at the time) and the different play styles due to how the jobs were designed decree that anything back then wasn't hard. Oh and back then, you had more than one skill chain combo to choose from depending on the circumstances. Oh pass the torch? Go stuff yourself with your self importance, we are still playing. Are you telling us now that we shouldn't be? Ok that is just cheeky as all hell. What we have to say on any side of the argument, no matter what it is, doesn't carry any weight, because we're older players? Best learn some manners little boy.

[Ruf]

Minor feat my foot. It was the hardest fight in that game at that time, consider it that version's Ultimate fight, taking into account the battle arena was multi-story, you had to use a crafted item to survive his first attack, farm the mats to make it first and gods forbid, read the battle log to see what move was coming next, because no telegraphs to show area of effect on attacks, no dodging boundaries lit up like what we have with ARR and beyond. I love how ppl who never experienced 1.0, it's battle system (and as that evolved), the server latency (all the servers were in Japan at the time) and the different play styles due to how the jobs were designed decree that anything back then wasn't hard. Oh and back then, you had more than one skill chain combo to choose from depending on the circumstances. Oh pass the torch? Go stuff yourself with your self importance, we are still playing. Are you telling us now that we shouldn't be? Ok that is just cheeky as all hell. What we have to say on any side of the argument, no matter what it is, doesn't carry any weight, because we're older players? Best learn some manners little boy.

I have not played 1.0, & to this day I prefer xi to xiv & I dont think that in any way anemos or pagos is remotely anything close to be like 11 & I still play it so its not tough for me to compare. Also when players like bourne say that xi was a mess with jobs back in the days when 2 lvl max range partys were a thing,it makes me sad because this makes me feel like most players that hate on the original system really have no idea on how it would/should have been played back then. I used to host all my groups & i have done legit x2 thfs "(rogues…)" 6 man partys *thfs for tanks, it just required an initial provoker then it was sata ws\sub nin shadows\thf evasion enmity generation to second thf sata onto first thief & there was the tanking (legit no true tanking job) & THAT was awesome. To this day xi have a thousand more reasons to be a better game over xiv BUT ANYWAY back onto topic. I will say this, as I said before I did not play xiv at start with 1.0 & while a glamour earring from it sound nice, I think it should be a replica & even then, I think a replica should not even exist, so in other words, let alone the original earring with the original players. As someone said before several times, if you did not do the fight, why should you\we get it? Sure more lore is nice but again earring does not have to be handed out to add more game story\explanations. By that post Yoruichi4478 did, I am inclined to say that to me, it look like XIV probably was a lot more fun back then before they changed it. I do feel like I would have enjoyed trying it back then ^^ but I have not. I support your sadness "REAL" white raven earring owners.


P.S: You sure told Theodric Yoruichi!

[Sigma-Astra]

You tell us. Why does anyone that wasn't there desperately need someone else's exclusive-to-that-time memento? You didn't like the game at that time so didn't play to get it yourself? Get over it and deal with your Green Envy NM. Why do you or anyone else keep giving disingenuous developers a free pass?

That's a poor argument and you know it. It doesn't matter if someone did or didn't like 1.0 at the time, some people couldn't afford to pay the subscription fee for 1.0, some didn't know XIV existed. It could be a plethora of reasons. Stop making baseless assumptions to back up a selfish "screw you, got mine" mentality that doesn't need to exist with a pair of virtual earrings. This is all incredibly petty.

[Yoruichi4478]

That's a poor argument and you know it. It doesn't matter if someone did or didn't like 1.0 at the time, some people couldn't afford to pay the subscription fee for 1.0, some didn't know XIV existed. It could be a plethora of reasons. Stop making baseless assumptions to back up a selfish "screw you, got mine" mentality that doesn't need to exist with a pair of virtual earrings. This is all incredibly petty.

It was free for a whole year. Those who left either couldn't afford it, or didn't want to pay for the game in that stage of repair and were just playing because it was free. I remember players then saying one or the other.

[Sigma-Astra]

It was free for a whole year. Those who left either couldn't afford it, or didn't want to pay for the game in that stage of repair and were just playing because it was free. I remember players then saying one or the other.

Either way, it's an item from five years ago. It's a very petty thing to hold a grudge over and I'm shocked at people in this community who are clinging to a pair of earrings that you can barely see on your ears unless you're always zoomed in up close. Most people aren't always playing this game with their cameras zoomed all of the way in. Earrings are awful on Miqo'te.

That's also not to mention, that most people barely notice the accessories you're wearing to begin with and only check for the ilvl's or stats to make sure that you're not a lvl 40 healer with lvl 1 earrings of strength because they wanted to be a "battle cleric" inside of a dungeon.